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#27493 - 01/30/05 03:55 AM Re: Pardon My Ignorance...
silversport Offline
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Spiker:
You're right!!! smile I should have when you offered...I went 7100 to 755 to 7100...ahhh.
thanks for the feedback!
Bill
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#27494 - 01/30/05 09:10 AM Re: Pardon My Ignorance...
phogandive Offline
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Registered: 05/30/04
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Hi,
The main reason the DVD's are recorded at a 'lower' volume than CD's is to leave enough headroom for the louder special effects (gunshots, explosions, etc.). If the average volume were as loud as the CD, there would be very little extra left for these effects.

Peter

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#27495 - 01/30/05 10:20 AM Re: Pardon My Ignorance...
silversport Offline
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eggggselent!...thanks!
Bill
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#27496 - 01/30/05 07:20 PM Re: Pardon My Ignorance...
Sound Killer Offline
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Registered: 04/05/04
Posts: 128
Quote:
Originally posted by phogandive:
Hi,
The main reason the DVD's are recorded at a 'lower' volume than CD's is to leave enough headroom for the louder special effects (gunshots, explosions, etc.). If the average volume were as loud as the CD, there would be very little extra left for these effects.

Peter
That's a not a reason; it is a shame.

DVD got Gigabyte space; they should do better on it. That is, make average volume louder than CD (music, dialog) and boost special effect 10 DB louder than original cinema soundtrack. So, we can push our equipments to the limit.

It is disgrace to see my signal light can't easily reaches even 5.5V(17 dbu) position every time I play the DVD. Don't want buy those sucker anymore. CD still sounds much better. I think even my play-station games sound better than those wimpy DVDs.

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#27497 - 01/30/05 10:14 PM Re: Pardon My Ignorance...
JT Clark Offline
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Registered: 10/25/02
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Turn the volume up. :rolleyes:

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#27498 - 01/31/05 03:46 AM Re: Pardon My Ignorance...
Sound Killer Offline
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Registered: 04/05/04
Posts: 128
Serious speaking though , the source material’s signal level should always as high as possible (such as, your TV’s audio line out, CD player, DVD player, VCR...etc), prior to rest of the signal processing equipments, and the level control of the power-amplifier as low as practical for best signal to noise ratio. Gain boosting at later equipments is the last resort and should be used moderately.

For me, CD always has an excellent, strong signal level (easily hit 2 Vrms with SN ratio of 115 db, yet without any gain boosting). And that’s where DVD disk should improve.

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#27499 - 01/31/05 12:47 PM Re: Pardon My Ignorance...
soundhound Offline
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Registered: 04/10/02
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In film mixing, it is standard practice to establsh "0" db reference level as -20dB below digital full scale. This equates to an average "target" volume for dialog of 85dB. The extra 20dB of headroom is for the needed dynamic range when things get loud. The peaks do indeed hit digital full scale, so the maximum level available from a film soundtrack is being taken full advantage of.

Trust me, you would not like the sound of films if they were compressed to the degree that CDs are, which in some cases have a dynamic range of only 5dB or so.

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#27500 - 01/31/05 09:23 PM Re: Pardon My Ignorance...
JT Clark Offline
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Ha! And I was going to say that I usually have a difference of about 15 clicks of the dial between movies and music.

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#27501 - 02/01/05 12:26 AM Re: Pardon My Ignorance...
painttoad Offline
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Registered: 10/25/04
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that's good JT 'cause i remember 'digital volume' earlier where you could hear the 'click' from the remote volume control ,but i also remember the attenuator knob that actually had the detents!

which clicks you talkin' about? smile

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#27502 - 02/01/05 09:36 PM Re: Pardon My Ignorance...
JT Clark Offline
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Registered: 10/25/02
Posts: 466
Loc: IL
One increment, like -16 to -15. At the moment I had forgotten if they were 1 db or not.

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