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#17516 - 03/14/08 01:08 AM 3 channel SACD - no sub?
RedSIinPA Offline
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Registered: 12/28/06
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Hey guys, I bought a 3ch (L/C/R) classical music SACD not long ago.

Playing it the first time, I immediately noticed that I was not getting any output on my subs. The thing is, I do get output from my subs in 2 channel analog (from the same player) with the 1070 in Bypass mode. I also get sub output with 6 ch. SACD and 5.1 ch DVD-A.

My bass management toggle is set to HPF/LPF, so I'd thought I had all this figured out such that all my analog inputs (7.1 and CD) would have frequencies below 80 Hz sent to my subs via the analog circuit built for the bass management.

Am I doing something wrong? Maybe I should revisit my Denon 1940 manual...
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#17517 - 03/14/08 11:55 AM Re: 3 channel SACD - no sub?
gonk Offline
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Interesting CD - I haven't run across such a thing. Is it using DTS?
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#17518 - 03/14/08 12:29 PM Re: 3 channel SACD - no sub?
KOYAAN Offline
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I assume your listening to the SACD via the 7.1 Annalog input. That being the case, the 1070 should apply the same processing to a 3.1 signal that it does to a 5.1 signal. Are you dooing anything differently with this SACD than with others ?
What SACD is it ?
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#17519 - 03/14/08 12:40 PM Re: 3 channel SACD - no sub?
RedSIinPA Offline
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hey guys - here's the disc I bought. I don't think it's a 3.1 disc. It's a 3.0 disc. Still I wouldn't think it matters since CD's are simply 2.0 discs and I get sub output on them.

It's not DTS btw - I don't think anyway. I see no DTS logo.

TIA -

http://www.amazon.com/Rimsky-Korsakov-Sc...05498692&sr=8-1

Oh, and yes I'm using the 7.1 analog inputs for my player and using that source on my 1070 during playback...
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Toshiba HD-A35 & Pioneer BDP-51
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Elite 50" / Aquos 32"
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#17520 - 03/14/08 01:49 PM Re: 3 channel SACD - no sub?
gonk Offline
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That is a hybrid SACD, and a 3.0 disc from what I found on it. The CD layer would be purely 2.0 (and there is one, as it's a hybrid), but the Denon would be playing the SACD layer. My first thought is rather simple - the 80Hz crossover will only provide a signal for the sub when there is material present below 80hz in the recording (no LFE track), and I have no idea just how much content of this type may exist in the recording.
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#17521 - 03/14/08 02:16 PM Re: 3 channel SACD - no sub?
RedSIinPA Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 12/28/06
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Loc: Outside Phila.
Gonk I'm thinking the same thing. There's a lot of violin and not a lot of percussion in this recording. Makes me think my subs went to sleep. Though I did verify that the subs are not on Auto anymore. They wake up too slowly from slumber in Auto-On mode.
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Model 1070
Toshiba HD-A35 & Pioneer BDP-51
Tivo Series 3
Elite 50" / Aquos 32"
Squeezebox Radio

Stereo Setup:
NAD C326BEE (50Wx2)
Elite DV-47Ai Universal SACD/DVD-A
Citypulse DA7.2x II + TXCO DAC
B&W 685s
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#17522 - 03/14/08 04:48 PM Re: 3 channel SACD - no sub?
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I'm not familiar with this particular recording, But I know the works pretty well. Niether is going to give you subwoofer a workout, but both, particularly the Scherazade has a fair amount of tymponi and some deep strings that I would expect to extend well below 80 hz.
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#17523 - 03/14/08 08:22 PM Re: 3 channel SACD - no sub?
RedSIinPA Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 278
Loc: Outside Phila.
^that's what I was thinking as well...something ought to get them going, and I'm striking out thus far. I'm going to recheck my stuff tonight and give it another whirl. Thanks for the feedback thus far.
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Model 1070
Toshiba HD-A35 & Pioneer BDP-51
Tivo Series 3
Elite 50" / Aquos 32"
Squeezebox Radio

Stereo Setup:
NAD C326BEE (50Wx2)
Elite DV-47Ai Universal SACD/DVD-A
Citypulse DA7.2x II + TXCO DAC
B&W 685s
JL Fathom F112
Denon AH-D2000 Headphones


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#17524 - 03/15/08 12:10 AM Re: 3 channel SACD - no sub?
gonk Offline
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Is it a good disc? I might pick it up and give it a whirl, see what it does with my 990 and 983H...
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#17525 - 03/15/08 03:57 AM Re: 3 channel SACD - no sub?
RedSIinPA Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 12/28/06
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to be honest Gonk, this is my first purchase of Classical music outside of a few random Beethoven and Tchaikovsky discs I purchased years ago. My daughter was born almost 3 weeks ago and that gave me a good reason to invest in some more "soothing" music. plus I like to read to it when the long days come to an end.

I've listened to it twice. While I don't have the background to compare it to other works, I feel it was a good purchase. I have to listen to it a lot more to really tell if I'm a true fan, but so far it's been fun. The reviews on Amazon are what led me to this particular one, but I think it would be pretty cool to collect the whole Living Stereo series. I think I'll buy a couple more tonight actually smile
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Model 1070
Toshiba HD-A35 & Pioneer BDP-51
Tivo Series 3
Elite 50" / Aquos 32"
Squeezebox Radio

Stereo Setup:
NAD C326BEE (50Wx2)
Elite DV-47Ai Universal SACD/DVD-A
Citypulse DA7.2x II + TXCO DAC
B&W 685s
JL Fathom F112
Denon AH-D2000 Headphones


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