#97971 - 04/02/18 11:21 AM
Re: 976 Dislikes or improvement/update wish list !
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Gunslinger
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Oops! Forgot. ERIC? I paid a visit to your page on the Blu-ray Gallery - most impressive
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#97975 - 04/02/18 02:16 PM
Re: 976 Dislikes or improvement/update wish list !
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Gunslinger
Registered: 11/05/07
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Hello 975 destroyer! I was comparing my previous 990 to the 976. I didn't use any other pre-pro in the last 10 years.
The 0-100 or dB value displayed by the volume control is just a relative value that the manufacturer gave to the processor. This is no different than the good old days when the volume merily went from 0 to 10 lol! One preamp would reach a given loudness with the volume at 4, another preamp would need its volume to be placed at 7 to be as loud. That doesn't prevent both of them to go as loud in the end.
Thanks for the comments about my setup!
Edited by Deromax (04/02/18 02:26 PM)
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#98018 - 04/12/18 02:08 PM
Re: 976 Dislikes or improvement/update wish list !
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Gunslinger
Registered: 01/16/11
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Loc: United States
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I was playing with the lip sync last night while watching a netflix video. The increments need to be finer. 10 millisecond jumps are too wide. I needed it between 0 and the first setting. Sounds picky I know, but it was noticeable.
The max setting of 500 m/s is ridiculous. I cannot believe anything will be that far out.
Whats the highest setting anyone has used ?
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#98020 - 04/12/18 08:03 PM
Re: 976 Dislikes or improvement/update wish list !
[Re: kiwiaudio]
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Gunslinger
Registered: 12/16/17
Posts: 58
Loc: Minneapolis, MN
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A finer lip sync delay is a great suggestion, I'm frustratingly close to having the sync right. The highest delay I have used is 80ms.
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#98021 - 04/12/18 09:00 PM
Re: 976 Dislikes or improvement/update wish list !
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Gunslinger
Registered: 11/05/07
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Loc: Shawinigan, PQ, Canada
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10 ms is a quarter of a frame duration. I think that's plenty of granularity. However, it would be trivial to have 1 ms resolution, so they should do it.
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#98022 - 04/12/18 09:33 PM
Re: 976 Dislikes or improvement/update wish list !
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Gunslinger
Registered: 12/16/17
Posts: 58
Loc: Minneapolis, MN
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Excellent point about how the math works out (1000/24 = ~42ms per film frame, ~16ms for 60hz video). I wonder why I perceive that I'm not able to get the sync right?
Variability in audio time alignment throughout the program? Variability in video processing? Just too picky or going nuts?
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#98024 - 04/12/18 11:23 PM
Re: 976 Dislikes or improvement/update wish list !
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Gunslinger
Registered: 11/05/07
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Loc: Shawinigan, PQ, Canada
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You could think that keeping sync between sound and picture must be easy those days, but TV channels, online streams, physical medias, TVs, projectors, players, computers, audio decoding gear, all have variations and the result is unpredictable. Best not to lose sleep over this, as this will never be perfect all the time!
If you can't determine a good setting, it's better to err on the side of the sound being a tad late than ahead. Our brain knows that sound may arrive late, like when the subject is at some distance. But it will be in great confusion when it's hearing something before it happened!
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#98025 - 04/13/18 08:49 AM
Re: 976 Dislikes or improvement/update wish list !
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Desperado
Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 2676
Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
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If they make the adjustment too fine we will have to make constant adjustments every time we switch sources or even program material and have to push that button many more times. There is no universal fix so they have made a choice of 10ms per push.
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#98030 - 04/13/18 09:04 PM
Re: 976 Dislikes or improvement/update wish list !
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Gunslinger
Registered: 01/16/11
Posts: 86
Loc: United States
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Im ok with making necessary adjustments. We have the provision to set sync for each source. Once set why would it change Xenon? Are you seeing differences with program material?
My Oppo 103 is ok at 0m/s with Bluray, but I need to change it with the 103's Netflix app.
I guess I don't see what you mean.
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Double drywalled, "Green Glue" treated Theater
GIK acoustic treatment
Epson 8700UB Projecting on a 135" Seymour XD Audio transparent screen
Outlaw 976 Processor
Outlaw 755 amp for Center and all four surrounds
Adcom GFA 555II for Main L & R channels
Behringer EP4000 for two homemade subs
Outlaw Ultra X13 for REAL Sub Bass !
OPPO BDP103, Marantz CD63SE, Denon DP300F
2 Adcom ACE515s for AC current treatment
Newport Theater Director for AC distribution.
Speakers are all built by myself utilizing Dynaudio Drivers
Second room: Yamaha receiver, Musical fidelity X10D tubes, Carver C9 holographic pro.
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#98031 - 04/13/18 10:27 PM
Re: 976 Dislikes or improvement/update wish list !
[Re: XenonMan]
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Gunslinger
Registered: 09/07/15
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Loc: Georgia, US of A!
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If they make the adjustment too fine we will have to make constant adjustments every time we switch sources or even program material and have to push that button many more times. There is no universal fix so they have made a choice of 10ms per push. in a word, nope. Rotel 1068 & the 975 provide 1ms increments - worked ok for me.
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