#97645 - 01/21/18 11:52 AM
Re: Flakey remote?
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Gunslinger
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From what I could tell, the diode is mounted flush within the nose of the remote. I originally thought the remote was firing upward, then I wasn't so sure. Now Ben has confirmed my earlier assessment.
kiwiaudio, have you tried turning the remote in your hand so the buttons face left or right, depending on which hand your using? That might solve the aiming issue. I use my Harmony, so I'll have to dig out the 976 remote and see if it changes things.
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#97649 - 01/21/18 08:48 PM
Re: Flakey remote?
[Re: J.S.]
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Gunslinger
Registered: 01/13/16
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UPDATE:
Still having volume control issues...press volume down, and it goes up. Not every time, about every 6th time. Twice while watching Blu-ray's last night, and one time today. I did previously move the IR Repeater Sensor off the front of my plasma TV, 1 foot lower than the panel now (as per repeater instructions). But, as I just said...issue is still present. Just moved the Sensor 31 inches away to see if that fixes things. Will update shortly.
As an aside, I a thinking about buying a Harmony Remote to get rid of the issue...as others have in this forum.
Edited by drueb (01/21/18 09:12 PM)
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#97650 - 01/21/18 10:34 PM
Re: Flakey remote?
[Re: drueb]
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Gunslinger
Registered: 01/13/16
Posts: 77
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UPDATE:
Still having volume control issues...press volume down, and it goes up. Not every time, about every 6th time. Twice while watching Blu-ray's last night, and one time today. I did previously move the IR Repeater Sensor off the front of my plasma TV, 1 foot lower than the panel now (as per repeater instructions). But, as I just said...issue is still present. Just moved the Sensor 31 inches away to see if that fixes things. Will update shortly.
As an aside, I a thinking about buying a Harmony Remote to get rid of the issue...as others have in this forum. UPDATE 2: IR Sensor 31 inches away...reproduced the volume issue twice. Press volume up, and the volume goes down. It has to be the remote. In addition, hate aiming the remote lower than the Sensor...it's just not natural...and wife hates it! Just ordered a Harmony Remote 950 (refurbished) on Amazon for $159...let's see it that fixes things...which I believe it will. Update will follow...
Edited by drueb (01/22/18 11:45 AM)
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Outlaw Model 976 AV Surround Processor
Outlaw Model 5000 5 Channel Amplifier
JBL Studio 590 Left and Right
JBL Studio 520C Center
2 JBL Sub 550P
Polk 265RT 3 Way Surrounds (in wall)
Sony Bravia 77" Class - A80CJ Series - 4K UHD OLED TV
Panasonic DP-UB820-K 4K Player
Technics SL 1210 GR (2019)
Ray Samuels F-117 Nighthawk - Phono Preamp
Ortofon Bronze 2M; Ortofon Headshell;Emmeline Nighthawk Phono Pre-Amp by Ray Sammuels
Schitt Loki
Wire World RCA Cables
Drop THX AAA 789 Headphone Amp
Blue Jeans Speaker Cable Belden 10-gauge 5T00UP (Front L&R and Center)
Blue Jeans Interconnects LC-1's
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#97655 - 01/22/18 12:46 PM
Re: Flakey remote?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 01/16/11
Posts: 85
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"IR Sensor 31 inches away.."
Thats very close Drueb. The narrow crazy upfiring angle is more likely to miss. My efforts with this remote seemed to succeed more at a greater distance 10-12'. Closer i got, the worse the response success rate. Theres more going on here though. Ive had other remotes fail a command for various reasons, we all have, but ive never had a remote send a command that is counter to what im trying to do.
The volume up command that gets sent while you are pressing "Down" (and vise versa), is similar to an issue i repeatedly had where i was using the 5 way button "up" command, only to have it go "down".
Edited by kiwiaudio (01/22/18 12:47 PM)
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#97656 - 01/22/18 01:27 PM
Re: Flakey remote?
[Re: kiwiaudio]
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Gunslinger
Registered: 01/13/16
Posts: 77
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"IR Sensor 31 inches away.."
Thats very close Drueb. The narrow crazy upfiring angle is more likely to miss. My efforts with this remote seemed to succeed more at a greater distance 10-12'. Closer i got, the worse the response success rate. Theres more going on here though. Ive had other remotes fail a command for various reasons, we all have, but ive never had a remote send a command that is counter to what im trying to do.
The volume up command that gets sent while you are pressing "Down" (and vise versa), is similar to an issue i repeatedly had where i was using the 5 way button "up" command, only to have it go "down". I meant the Sensor was 31" away from the Plasma TV Screen...not from the remote...
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Outlaw Model 976 AV Surround Processor
Outlaw Model 5000 5 Channel Amplifier
JBL Studio 590 Left and Right
JBL Studio 520C Center
2 JBL Sub 550P
Polk 265RT 3 Way Surrounds (in wall)
Sony Bravia 77" Class - A80CJ Series - 4K UHD OLED TV
Panasonic DP-UB820-K 4K Player
Technics SL 1210 GR (2019)
Ray Samuels F-117 Nighthawk - Phono Preamp
Ortofon Bronze 2M; Ortofon Headshell;Emmeline Nighthawk Phono Pre-Amp by Ray Sammuels
Schitt Loki
Wire World RCA Cables
Drop THX AAA 789 Headphone Amp
Blue Jeans Speaker Cable Belden 10-gauge 5T00UP (Front L&R and Center)
Blue Jeans Interconnects LC-1's
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#97658 - 01/22/18 04:28 PM
Re: Flakey remote?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 01/16/11
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Oh ... got ya !
Incidentally, did any of your other remotes care about the plasma ?
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Double drywalled, "Green Glue" treated Theater
GIK acoustic treatment
Epson 8700UB Projecting on a 135" Seymour XD Audio transparent screen
Outlaw 976 Processor
Outlaw 755 amp for Center and all four surrounds
Adcom GFA 555II for Main L & R channels
Behringer EP4000 for two homemade subs
Outlaw Ultra X13 for REAL Sub Bass !
OPPO BDP103, Marantz CD63SE, Denon DP300F
2 Adcom ACE515s for AC current treatment
Newport Theater Director for AC distribution.
Speakers are all built by myself utilizing Dynaudio Drivers
Second room: Yamaha receiver, Musical fidelity X10D tubes, Carver C9 holographic pro.
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#97660 - 01/22/18 06:02 PM
Re: Flakey remote?
[Re: kiwiaudio]
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Gunslinger
Registered: 01/13/16
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Oh ... got ya !
Incidentally, did any of your other remotes care about the plasma ? NOPE! Never had an issue over the last 10 years of owning 2 Panasonic Plasma TV's...but this is the first time using an IR Repeater...
Edited by drueb (01/22/18 06:20 PM)
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Outlaw Model 976 AV Surround Processor
Outlaw Model 5000 5 Channel Amplifier
JBL Studio 590 Left and Right
JBL Studio 520C Center
2 JBL Sub 550P
Polk 265RT 3 Way Surrounds (in wall)
Sony Bravia 77" Class - A80CJ Series - 4K UHD OLED TV
Panasonic DP-UB820-K 4K Player
Technics SL 1210 GR (2019)
Ray Samuels F-117 Nighthawk - Phono Preamp
Ortofon Bronze 2M; Ortofon Headshell;Emmeline Nighthawk Phono Pre-Amp by Ray Sammuels
Schitt Loki
Wire World RCA Cables
Drop THX AAA 789 Headphone Amp
Blue Jeans Speaker Cable Belden 10-gauge 5T00UP (Front L&R and Center)
Blue Jeans Interconnects LC-1's
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#97671 - 01/24/18 01:17 PM
Re: Flakey remote?
[Re: drueb]
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Gunslinger
Registered: 01/13/16
Posts: 77
Loc: Texas
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UPDATE:
976 Remote still having volume control issues...have not tried duplicating with Amp and TV off...but when time allows, will attempt it...
Received and set up, IR only devices, on my Harmony Remote 950. All turning on via "Activity" programming. So far, no volume issues...stay tuned...
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Outlaw Model 976 AV Surround Processor
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JBL Studio 590 Left and Right
JBL Studio 520C Center
2 JBL Sub 550P
Polk 265RT 3 Way Surrounds (in wall)
Sony Bravia 77" Class - A80CJ Series - 4K UHD OLED TV
Panasonic DP-UB820-K 4K Player
Technics SL 1210 GR (2019)
Ray Samuels F-117 Nighthawk - Phono Preamp
Ortofon Bronze 2M; Ortofon Headshell;Emmeline Nighthawk Phono Pre-Amp by Ray Sammuels
Schitt Loki
Wire World RCA Cables
Drop THX AAA 789 Headphone Amp
Blue Jeans Speaker Cable Belden 10-gauge 5T00UP (Front L&R and Center)
Blue Jeans Interconnects LC-1's
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#97676 - 01/24/18 05:19 PM
Re: Flakey remote?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 01/16/11
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You wont have these issues with the Harmony 950 Drueb. Now you can put your IR receiver eye back where you prefer it. It was never your plasma !!
One of my Tvs is a 6 yr old plasma - never had a problem !
So far, the only reason i use the 976 remote is to access and navigate the OSD. I cannot seem to get the harmony to reliably do this, but it can, im sure. I just have to figure it out.
Tough for me to believe that only a small percentage of 976 sales are reporting remote issues. This is what Outlaw is saying. Are people just accepting the issues, or are they really just not having problems? Audio/Video philes are supposed to be a picky lot !
So few of us communicate in these forums though, most just read and suck up the efforts of others. Forum contributors like to help and offer insight.
Enough ranting Kiwi !!
Edited by kiwiaudio (01/24/18 05:23 PM)
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Double drywalled, "Green Glue" treated Theater
GIK acoustic treatment
Epson 8700UB Projecting on a 135" Seymour XD Audio transparent screen
Outlaw 976 Processor
Outlaw 755 amp for Center and all four surrounds
Adcom GFA 555II for Main L & R channels
Behringer EP4000 for two homemade subs
Outlaw Ultra X13 for REAL Sub Bass !
OPPO BDP103, Marantz CD63SE, Denon DP300F
2 Adcom ACE515s for AC current treatment
Newport Theater Director for AC distribution.
Speakers are all built by myself utilizing Dynaudio Drivers
Second room: Yamaha receiver, Musical fidelity X10D tubes, Carver C9 holographic pro.
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#97679 - 01/25/18 12:50 PM
Re: Flakey remote?
[Re: kiwiaudio]
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Gunslinger
Registered: 01/13/16
Posts: 77
Loc: Texas
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You wont have these issues with the Harmony 950 Drueb. Now you can put your IR receiver eye back where you prefer it. It was never your plasma !!
One of my Tvs is a 6 yr old plasma - never had a problem !
So far, the only reason i use the 976 remote is to access and navigate the OSD. I cannot seem to get the harmony to reliably do this, but it can, im sure. I just have to figure it out.
Tough for me to believe that only a small percentage of 976 sales are reporting remote issues. This is what Outlaw is saying. Are people just accepting the issues, or are they really just not having problems? Audio/Video philes are supposed to be a picky lot !
So few of us communicate in these forums though, most just read and suck up the efforts of others. Forum contributors like to help and offer insight.
Enough ranting Kiwi !! Ranting is welcome; Outlaw needs to address the remote issues. Maybe only a limited number of remotes have had issues. I continue to experience volume control issues and aiming issues...it's just not natural to aim a remote lower than the IR Sensor...Plain Silly! SOLUTION: I suggest that Outlaw offer to replace the ones associated with complaints...AND ask for the old to be returned for research & testing. As an aside, the refurbished 950 I got stopped working and entered into a continuous loop when I tried to switch activities. Then it suggested that I teach it TiVo commands it would not accept. Thanks to Amazon, it is on the way back, and a NEW one will be delivered today. The story of my life!
Edited by drueb (01/25/18 01:10 PM)
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Outlaw Model 976 AV Surround Processor
Outlaw Model 5000 5 Channel Amplifier
JBL Studio 590 Left and Right
JBL Studio 520C Center
2 JBL Sub 550P
Polk 265RT 3 Way Surrounds (in wall)
Sony Bravia 77" Class - A80CJ Series - 4K UHD OLED TV
Panasonic DP-UB820-K 4K Player
Technics SL 1210 GR (2019)
Ray Samuels F-117 Nighthawk - Phono Preamp
Ortofon Bronze 2M; Ortofon Headshell;Emmeline Nighthawk Phono Pre-Amp by Ray Sammuels
Schitt Loki
Wire World RCA Cables
Drop THX AAA 789 Headphone Amp
Blue Jeans Speaker Cable Belden 10-gauge 5T00UP (Front L&R and Center)
Blue Jeans Interconnects LC-1's
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