#97411 - 12/26/17 05:10 PM
Re: 976 Initial Impressions after 24 hours
[Re: Deromax]
|
Gunslinger
Registered: 03/21/12
Posts: 283
Loc: USA
|
I did hook up a stereo cable from my wireless OAW3 to one of the analog stereo connections and checked playing the same CDs and it's not evident at all.
Of course! This is a problem with a *digital* connection, not analog! Also, I'm told that Oppo players won't trigger the issue. Right, I was suggesting a work-around. IMO the 976 is much, much faster in acquisition time with detecting the digital signal than the 975 was.
_________________________
Main HT <> 976 <> 7200 <> Ultra-X12 <> sapphire ST2 mkII RF/LF <> sapphire SC center sapphire ST2 mkII SBR/SBL <> sapphire SS SR/SL <> Verizon/DVR <> Vizio M70Q7 <> Oppo UDP-203 <> Amazon 4k Fire TV
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#97416 - 12/26/17 07:01 PM
Re: 976 Initial Impressions after 24 hours
[Re: bbaggin5]
|
Gunslinger
Registered: 11/05/07
Posts: 88
Loc: Shawinigan, PQ, Canada
|
Much faster, yes. But how about a goal of 0 delay? The 990 had no such delay, like I'm sure all external DACs have not. Could you imagine the outcry if an audiophile DAC costing over a grand had such an issue?
Sorry to be persistent about this, but I find this is a major flaw, and that a solution should be found and offered!
The functionalities and sound quality of the model 976 however are really great, and Outlaw should be lauded for that!
Edited by Deromax (12/26/17 07:13 PM)
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#97417 - 12/26/17 08:08 PM
Re: 976 Initial Impressions after 24 hours
[Re: bbaggin5]
|
Desperado
Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 2676
Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
|
"Major Flaw"?? I wouldn't necessarily say it is major, although it could be somewhat annoying. The only way to fix it would be to introduce some sort of delay in the sensitivity of this feature. 5 seconds would probably do it. I would think that a FW update would be required but don't know how hard it would be to implement. I am also not sure why this doesn't happen in some pieces of gear.
_________________________
Music system Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD APC H15 Power Conditioner
TV System Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv
Home Theater System Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv Harmony ONE Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects APC H15 Power Conditioner
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#97418 - 12/26/17 08:27 PM
Re: 976 Initial Impressions after 24 hours
[Re: XenonMan]
|
Gunslinger
Registered: 11/05/07
Posts: 88
Loc: Shawinigan, PQ, Canada
|
I'm told that Oppo players outputs a constant bitstream even when there are gaps on the disc or between files.
What I wonder is why the fade-in is needed. Since the data are really there (in the duration of the fade-in), then why not let them play at full volume?
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#97419 - 12/26/17 08:35 PM
Re: 976 Initial Impressions after 24 hours
[Re: bbaggin5]
|
Desperado
Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 2676
Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
|
I don't have the issue with my OPPO BDP when playing a disc but then again I don't have a 976 either.
_________________________
Music system Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD APC H15 Power Conditioner
TV System Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv
Home Theater System Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv Harmony ONE Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects APC H15 Power Conditioner
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#97421 - 12/26/17 09:19 PM
Re: 976 Initial Impressions after 24 hours
[Re: Deromax]
|
Gunslinger
Registered: 04/14/01
Posts: 161
Loc: Garland,Tx. USA
|
I'm told that Oppo players outputs a constant bitstream even when there are gaps on the disc or between files.
What I wonder is why the fade-in is needed. Since the data are really there (in the duration of the fade-in), then why not let them play at full volume? What disc player are you using? I tested my OPPO 205 as you requested awhile back at the AVS Forum owners thread using an optical connection and it was fine.
Edited by mdanderson (12/27/17 02:34 AM)
_________________________
Paradigm Studio 20v5-fronts Paradigm Studio CC-490v5-center Paradigm Studio 10v5- side surrounds,Monitor surround 3v7-bck surr Oppo UDP-205/LG 65C6 Outlaw 976 prepro/ Emotiva BasX A-700 amp Power Sound Audio 15S
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#97422 - 12/27/17 02:41 AM
Re: 976 Initial Impressions after 24 hours
[Re: mdanderson]
|
Gunslinger
Registered: 11/05/07
Posts: 88
Loc: Shawinigan, PQ, Canada
|
To the previous two posters, I said clearly that the Oppo players are **NOT** affected by this issue, hence you can't have the issue.
I also described the equipment I used to do tests just a few messages higher. I have the issue with a Tascam Cd-200, a Yamaha BD-S677 and a computer.
Edited by Deromax (12/27/17 02:44 AM)
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#97423 - 12/27/17 03:03 AM
Re: 976 Initial Impressions after 24 hours
[Re: Deromax]
|
Gunslinger
Registered: 04/14/01
Posts: 161
Loc: Garland,Tx. USA
|
To the previous two posters, I said clearly that the Oppo players are **NOT** affected by this issue, hence you can't have the issue.
I also described the equipment I used to do tests just a few messages higher. I have the issue with a Tascam Cd-200, a Yamaha BD-S677 and a computer. Sorry. I did not see your post about your equipment. No need to get mad. Just trying to help.
Edited by mdanderson (12/27/17 03:05 AM)
_________________________
Paradigm Studio 20v5-fronts Paradigm Studio CC-490v5-center Paradigm Studio 10v5- side surrounds,Monitor surround 3v7-bck surr Oppo UDP-205/LG 65C6 Outlaw 976 prepro/ Emotiva BasX A-700 amp Power Sound Audio 15S
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#97425 - 12/27/17 07:34 AM
Re: 976 Initial Impressions after 24 hours
[Re: Deromax]
|
Gunslinger
Registered: 01/16/11
Posts: 85
Loc: United States
|
On some CDs, maybe 30% of them, the 976 will "lose the signal" in the silence between tracks, and when the next track begins, there is a short delay before the sound un-mute and resume with a fade-in, resulting in a loss of half the first second of the track. The same behavior is hapening when playing files on iTunes in a computer, via Bluetooth. I find this highly annoying. In pop/rock, it's often the first drums hit that is outright obliterated!
Deromax, I tried to duplicate this and could not. The only CD in your list that i own is Dire straits On every street. I played several tracks from it, and 5 other cd's, through the Marantz CDplayers coaxial digital out. I also used my Oppo players HDMI and analog outputs playing the same discs. I also tried bluetooth with my phones song playlist - nothing ! I have never heard this phenomenon you describe on anything i own ! Sorry, I do not have this problem - wish i could help !
Edited by kiwiaudio (12/27/17 07:41 AM)
_________________________
Double drywalled, "Green Glue" treated Theater GIK acoustic treatment Epson 8700UB Projecting on a 135" Seymour XD Audio transparent screen Outlaw 976 Processor Outlaw 755 amp for Center and all four surrounds Adcom GFA 555II for Main L & R channels Behringer EP4000 for two homemade subs Outlaw Ultra X13 for REAL Sub Bass ! OPPO BDP103, Marantz CD63SE, Denon DP300F 2 Adcom ACE515s for AC current treatment Newport Theater Director for AC distribution. Speakers are all built by myself utilizing Dynaudio Drivers Second room: Yamaha receiver, Musical fidelity X10D tubes, Carver C9 holographic pro.
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#97426 - 12/27/17 10:10 AM
Re: 976 Initial Impressions after 24 hours
[Re: Deromax]
|
Gunslinger
Registered: 03/21/12
Posts: 283
Loc: USA
|
Much faster, yes. But how about a goal of 0 delay? The 990 had no such delay, like I'm sure all external DACs have not. Could you imagine the outcry if an audiophile DAC costing over a grand had such an issue?
Sorry to be persistent about this, but I find this is a major flaw, and that a solution should be found and offered!
The functionalities and sound quality of the model 976 however are really great, and Outlaw should be lauded for that! I don't think it's a major flaw by any means. You already stated this is your first experience with an HDMI-based processor. IMO HDMI is primarily for HT applications, rather than music. A solution is found and offered, which you haven't acknowledged reading. (my previous post) All the music you described, is PCM stereo coming in. Why not bring it in via the analog inputs. There are no issues with an analog connection. This is because a pre-pro or AV receiver will require a brief amount of time to detect the digital signal whenever the signal is momentarily lost. Some of the latency may also be attributed to certain source devices. As you mention the Oppo I use handles this very well. This may not be true for all source devices.
_________________________
Main HT <> 976 <> 7200 <> Ultra-X12 <> sapphire ST2 mkII RF/LF <> sapphire SC center sapphire ST2 mkII SBR/SBL <> sapphire SS SR/SL <> Verizon/DVR <> Vizio M70Q7 <> Oppo UDP-203 <> Amazon 4k Fire TV
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
|
0 registered (),
53
Guests and
1
Spider online. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
8,717 Registered Members
88 Forums
11,331 Topics
98,703 Posts
Most users ever online: 677 @ 09/27/24 06:41 PM
|
|
|
|