#95274 - 09/15/15 09:14 AM
Line conditioner that handles voltage sags well
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Gunslinger
Registered: 09/07/15
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Loc: Georgia, US of A!
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Subject line & and my screen name says about 98%. Something w/1200 watts should more than be enough for the TV and other low draw devices. That and way le$& than a car payment.
Some background: 1. All low powered equipment fed by A Monster Cable strip providing 2160 joules of protection bought before adding the 975. 2. Failures 1 & 2 caused by a damaged neutral from the pole due to a fallen tree. Power company has corrected that. 3. Ran a dedicated 20A feed installed BEFORE this failure.
The one thing me and my wife don't understand: during this period ONLY the 975 has failed! Except for a clothes dryer and microwave, NO other electronics in the house failed. And believe me, w/all the kids ages 5 to 17, we have more than most households.
Thnx for reading this far, Tony
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#95275 - 09/15/15 10:51 AM
Re: Line conditioner that handles voltage sags well
[Re: 975 destroyer]
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Gunslinger
Registered: 10/31/14
Posts: 45
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The one thing me and my wife don't understand: during this period ONLY the 975 has failed! Except for a clothes dryer and microwave, NO other electronics in the house failed.
Neutral line failures can be pretty weird, as can a failure of one of the primary lines. A power conditioner won't help in either of those scenarios, you need a power strip that kills the power completely. Generally anything that's on when the issue happens is at risk. I've seen pretty much all type appliances get killed, often its the electronic controls that fry. But hardware with transformers tend to object the most. FWIW, the power co is responsible for damages and should have a claims process.
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#95276 - 09/15/15 12:29 PM
Re: Line conditioner that handles voltage sags well
[Re: 975 destroyer]
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Gunslinger
Registered: 03/21/12
Posts: 283
Loc: USA
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Also, any devices with a standby power circuit will be more susceptible to varying power conditions, as that circuit gets AC power before the power transformer.
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#95277 - 09/15/15 04:19 PM
Re: Line conditioner that handles voltage sags well
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Desperado
Registered: 11/13/02
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Loc: Illinois
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#95278 - 09/15/15 08:59 PM
Re: Line conditioner that handles voltage sags well
[Re: 975 destroyer]
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Gunslinger
Registered: 09/07/15
Posts: 129
Loc: Georgia, US of A!
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For clarities sake - sequence of events: 1. the power company repaired the neutral. 2. Installed 20A dedicated line. 3. Returned repaired 975 to HT center stage! 4. 5 days later 975 failed... ...3rd time! 😿 ![frown frown](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/default/frown.gif) Renov8tor: that Tripp lite is an awesome unit. It provides 5-10 times the capacity for my needs. Something $maller please? Your suggestion would never pass the WAF muster.
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#95279 - 09/16/15 07:10 AM
Re: Line conditioner that handles voltage sags well
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Desperado
Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 514
Loc: Canton, MI
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Outlaw offers the SurgeX conditioners in various sizes. SurgeX Products I use the Tripp Lite so maybe someone else can comment on the SurgeX. However, if you've blown three units this is a pretty clear indication that something is wrong. Has Outlaw told you want failed in the units? The failure mode can often point to where the problem is.
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#95280 - 09/16/15 07:21 AM
Re: Line conditioner that handles voltage sags well
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Desperado
Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 514
Loc: Canton, MI
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Ha! A mere $4,000 for a power conditioner. Oh wait. It doesn't come with a power cord... And I'd be really interested to see how they did any serious filtering without caps and inductors.
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#95281 - 09/16/15 08:26 AM
Re: Line conditioner that handles voltage sags well
[Re: EEman]
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Gunslinger
Registered: 01/15/15
Posts: 214
Loc: East Texas
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However, if you've blown three units this is a pretty clear indication that something is wrong. Has Outlaw told you want failed in the units? The failure mode can often point to where the problem is. There was a low voltage condition on power up that was killing the power supplies. At one time it was configured so the power on of the Outlaw triggered everything else in the system to energize. When all of the amplifiers (he has several) powered up the line voltage would drop below the level the 975 would tolerate. I am not sure how he has it configured now as several different options have been discussed. Welcome to the forum Tony. I still think most any small battery back up unit would keep things tidy through start up and solve the problem. Your TV would most likely thank you as well.
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#95282 - 09/16/15 09:58 AM
Re: Line conditioner that handles voltage sags well
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Desperado
Registered: 04/08/08
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#95283 - 09/17/15 09:59 AM
Re: Line conditioner that handles voltage sags well
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Desperado
Registered: 06/29/01
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Loc: Grants Pass, OR
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I like the look of that APC unit, XenonMan. I've got our gear hooked up to an actual UPS since our power has a tendency to suffer brown outs and actually just go away with a surprising frequency during the winter.
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