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#89746 - 03/20/12 01:13 PM Re: 978 Release Date [Re: Kevin C Brown]
Ritz2 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Kevin C Brown
The bigger problem for me with the Emotiva is their poor track record for reliable hardware and software. At least when Outlaw puts a product out, you know it will be supported in a timely manner. (That's been my personal experience, anyway.) I'm not sure that's the case with what I've read about previous Emotiva products, and particularly their most recent processor.


That would indeed make me nervous (about buying an Emotiva product) so I don't think I'd be an early adopter. smile I remember when I first got my Outlaw 990 back in 2005, I had a few issues as well that were eventually solved by firmware updates (and that was a bit of an exciting process for me the first couple of times).

While Outlaw support has been good to me in the past, I have what I feel are valid concerns about support for this new processor if there are issues in the future. It seems that they handed off a list of specifications to a Chinese partner and are dependent on them for both the hardware and firmware. That's not a particularly good position to be in...ask me how I know... lol

I look forward to seeing someone or some magazine/blog/etc do a head to head comparison of both products.

Best,


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#89747 - 03/20/12 08:19 PM Re: 978 Release Date [Re: Ritz2]
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There were two things that I liked about the XMC-1.

1) The specifications included a listing of at least some of the specific component chips.

2) The use of a Linux system for the ARC software. Of course Gonk will tell me that such a system would not be used for audio processing.

I am also worried that the 978 apparently is already running out of memory. It seems like my concern from March 2010 about memory and the 978 were valid. I won't be surprised if the 978 ends up losing some functionality as a result.
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#89748 - 03/20/12 09:59 PM Re: 978 Release Date [Re: 73Bruin]
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Uh, what is your fear of memory regarding the 978 based on? Remember, 2 years is a generation where technology is concerned.

At any rate, the XMC is a very long way from a bug free introduction, and seeing as to how their UMC was such a travesty foisted on an unsuspecting public, you might do well to take a wait and see attitude to see if the drop outs, freeze ups, random blasts and black outs show up on the XMC as well. It took them 2 years to solve the bugs and some customers are still complaining.


Edited by S. Sharkey (03/20/12 10:00 PM)
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#89749 - 03/20/12 11:18 PM Re: 978 Release Date [Re: S. Sharkey]
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I agree with Sharkey on this. Emotiva needs to get their unit out and tested in the real world. The XMC needs to be PROVEN bug free by the Emo diehards before one can consider in buying it.
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#89750 - 03/21/12 02:35 AM Re: 978 Release Date [Re: S. Sharkey]
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Originally Posted By: S. Sharkey
Uh, what is your fear of memory regarding the 978 based on? Remember, 2 years is a generation where technology is concerned.


You are misreading my concern. My concern about the 978's memory was based upon PeterT's latest post

Originally Posted By: PeterT
Fellow Outlaws:

Please know that we hear your comments and concerns about the lack of an update on the Model 978. ... It will take another few days to fully analyze the data as it impacts the schedule, but the headline for today is that the results are favorable in a key area that means we will soon resolve the toughest part of this product, the implementation of XT-32. Our concerns over memory requirements have been addressed...


Peter's comment was like a warning shot over the bow to me. First it made me remember that the companion product to the 990, the Sherwood 965 eventually included a parametric equalizer that was never implemented on the 990 (supposedly due to memory issues). Second, it brought back memories of design choices I had to personally make when designing applications for hardware systems that were severely memory constrained (including a 48K IBM System 7). In that environment, I knew that including one type of functionality might result in the loss of other types of functionality. Consequently, I tied the two together and speculated that 978 might lose some functionality as a result.

I am made no representations about the XMC other than I liked they posted the chips that were being used and their room TACT room correction software was being implemented via a Linux based system (which is what I recommended Outlaw do 2 years ago).
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#89752 - 03/21/12 04:41 AM Re: 978 Release Date [Re: beyond 1000]
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Originally Posted By: beyond 1000
I agree with Sharkey on this. Emotiva needs to get their unit out and tested in the real world. The XMC needs to be PROVEN bug free by the Emo diehards before one can consider in buying it.


Do you think the XMC processor is coming out of the Sherbourn folks?

emotiva acquires sherbourn technologies

-Bob

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#89756 - 03/21/12 10:30 AM Re: 978 Release Date [Re: bobm]
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Originally Posted By: bobm
Originally Posted By: beyond 1000
I agree with Sharkey on this. Emotiva needs to get their unit out and tested in the real world. The XMC needs to be PROVEN bug free by the Emo diehards before one can consider in buying it.


Do you think the XMC processor is coming out of the Sherbourn folks?

emotiva acquires sherbourn technologies


Hadn't heard anything to that effect, but given the price points of Sherbourn's products, maybe that was what got them in the door with Tact. It will also allow them to differentiate their markets a bit without cannibalizing sales. Emotiva/Sherbourn could be the audio equivalent of Honda/Acura, Chevy/Cadillac, or VW/Audi. You give people a taste of what you're capable of on the budget brand and then have a premium brand to "upsell" them to down the line.

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#89770 - 03/22/12 07:36 AM Re: 978 Release Date [Re: Ritz2]
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Good call on the memory concern by 73Bruin. Right on the $$$$$.
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#89771 - 03/22/12 08:03 AM Re: 978 Release Date [Re: XenonMan]
Patrick Williams Offline
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Hey Outlaw -

Would it be possible to have some pictures of the latest version of the 978? And the dimensions?


Thanks

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#89772 - 03/22/12 09:45 AM Re: 978 Release Date [Re: XenonMan]
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Originally Posted By: XenonMan
Good call on the memory concern by 73Bruin. Right on the $$$$$.


Yes, he obviously knows what he's talking about. I guess only time will tell what effects this has on functionality. Still, they have come a long way on the 978 and if it's released with a minimum of bugs it will breath new life into Outlaw.
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