I agree. Personally, I don't see Trinnov as any "better" or "worse" than XT32. Just different. So if there aren't any other differences than the flavor of room EQ between the 978 and 998, the 998 becomes pointless.

Focus on the 978. Make a kick ass product. *Then* worry about what comes next.

Even more is that they don't even know that Trinnov will be included. That would mean that the 998 would need to be several notches above the 978 or it wouldn't make sense.

Give up on the 998 and focus on making the replacement receiver based on the 978. If it is a high quality component it could put Outlaw back where they don't need other companies to fill in the product gaps.

There is one aspect of Trinnov that Audyssey has no equivalent for, and that's 3D remapping. I think that's a big part of the reason that Outlaw still has interest in pursuing Trinnov after getting XT32 working.


I think that's exactly what they are doing, which is why details on the Model 998 and its Trinnov component are still scarce.

gonk- "3D mapping" ... something you could easily and quickly explain? (or a link? I've only read one review of the Sherwood AVR with Trinnov ... and it's been a while.)

Or do I get that already with MultiEQ XT and small variations in the height of the microphone as I move it around the room for the different measurements.

Trinnov's 3D remapping attempts to correct for errors in speaker placement. Center channels above or below the screen, surrounds that are not equidistant or are different distances from the rear wall, fronts that are different distances from the display, etc., are all adjusted. The calibration mic is actually a cluster of microphones so each measurement locates the speaker in the room relative to the mic pod (sort of an acoustic GPS). This is used to set speaker distances, but it also can be used to create correctly-placed phantom versions of each individual speaker when 3D remapping is engaged. As with any correction software like room EQ, there are limitations (the effect won't be as effective away from the sweet spot, for example), but the ability to optimize performance in the sweet spot this way is one of the reasons people have been interested in Trinnov.

Ok, I remember that feature now with the Sherwood [edited]. It can potentially move an incorrectly placed speaker to its proper position, virtually (or spatially).

I plan on waiting for the 998, since my room needs Trinnov's 3D remapping correction Hope Outlaw doesn't give up on this technology. Have been waiting since the Sherwood 998 was first announced.

I suspect you'll be waiting much longer then, if not forever. As I have said from the beginning, a successful Trinnov implementation in a consumer-level AVR or pre-pro is a long shot at best. I become more and more convinced of that as time goes on and PeterT's last post on the subject on August 23 (#87670 in this thread) only reinforces my opinion.

With all the research and development Outlaw has spent on Trinnov, it would be great if they came out with a stand alone Trinnov room correction device similar to the ICBM of old. It could be used as an add on between the 978 and an amp. It could be set up to allow programming via a laptop which could save various curves and allow flexibility for the spatial orientation. What would really be cool is if an HDMI output/input loop was installed to allow the interface to be turned on and off as needed.