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#86406 - 03/07/11 09:44 PM Re: Current 978 Feature List [Re: gonk]
Wrong Hombre Offline
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Originally Posted By: gonk


Originally Posted By: Wrong Hombre
I would use the digital optical with AirPort Extpress, but Zone 2 is analog only in my receiver, and according to the answer you gave to my question about digital in zone 2, the chances of that happening in the 978/998 are nil.

This brings up an interesting question. If they've reduced the number of stereo inputs but retained the second zone, might they have provided a separate stereo DAC for the second zone? It would be a first for Outlaw, which is why I (and probably others) wouldn't expect it, but times are changing. I've been wrong before, after all - I could be wrong here again.


Fingers crossed, here, boss.

Originally Posted By: gonk


Originally Posted By: Wrong Hombre
Why not just use the HDMI, I would ask. I know my tone to this point may seem a bit sharp, but I would sincerely like an answer to that.

For most players, I recommend HDMI. It gives you access to room correction, bass management, AV sync adjustment, and lots of other useful DSP functions. It's also convenient - after all, you're likely using HDMI for video anyway, so the cabling is the height of simplicity and you've already been saddled with HDCP. For some players, though, the analog section may justify using an analog signal path all the way to the speakers. The BDP-95 is such a player. Heck, the BDP-83 (a generation older, half the price, and using Cirrus DACs instead of the BDP-95's ESS DACs) sounded at least as good via analog through the Onkyo PR-SC885 as via HDMI through the 885 - even though the HDMI path included Audyssey.


I have a BR player with component and 7.1 outs; I'd assume that using the HDMI with this model would be preferable, as the internal DACs in my player would be less effective (presumably) than the HDMI processing in a 978/998. However, if the 978/998 include high end DACs, such as the Sabre ESSs, then there would be no difference from using the analog outs the OPPO 95 compared to HDMI? And even preferable to use HDMI in the case of the BD-83?


Edited by Wrong Hombre (03/07/11 09:55 PM)

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#86408 - 03/07/11 11:07 PM Re: Current 978 Feature List [Re: Wrong Hombre]
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With that player, I would agree wholeheartedly - use HDMI and forget about it. Whatever DAC's the Model 978 use, it should be at least as good as the Model 990 sonically (most likely even better - although I prefer to wait to hear it until I say anything definitive). That will be a solid upgrade over whatever analog section Samsung tossed into that player.

Analog performance is a complex puzzle, and predicting it even with specific details on the components used is not practical. Even if two products use the exact same DAC chip, they can sound different. The BDP-93 and BDP-83 are a good example. Both use the same Cirrus DAC, but the BDP-93 sounds a bit better than the BDP-83. Add to that the fact that we don't know what chips the Model 978 is using, and it's far too soon to know how the Model 978's analog performance will compare to other products - especially once you move into the realm of products with above-average analog designs.
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#86410 - 03/07/11 11:25 PM Re: Current 978 Feature List [Re: gonk]
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Generally speaking, though, how does HDMI processing compare to good DACs?

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#86411 - 03/07/11 11:27 PM Re: Current 978 Feature List [Re: GaryB]
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Originally Posted By: GaryB

Jeff, while your post above hints at an answer, have you indeed heard yet from Audyssey whether the installer kit can interface with an AVR/pre-pro through a USB port?

The ability to perform a MultEq Pro calibration is not nearly as important to me as it obviously is to you but it's something I might consider in the future with the 978, if the option exists. smile

No DSX seems to point to a basic implementafion of Audyssey, albeit an XT 32 one. If you think about it, that is consistent with their stated design philosophy for the 978. I don't know if a laptop running Pro can interface with a pre/pro via USB, but i don't think any existing units do.

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#86412 - 03/07/11 11:35 PM Re: Current 978 Feature List [Re: pepar]
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Originally Posted By: pepar

a) go 9.2/11.2 with the 998
b) forget the Trinnov and stick with Audyssey and
Jeff


Yes on A, but I'd be very disappointed with B. I am really looking forward to Trinnov and I hope it materializes. I know it's a long way out, but I think it would be a disappointment if it never game to fruition.

If Outlaw delivered a unit with 9.2/11.2, Pro Logic IIz and Trinnov, that would be super impressive and I'd probably jump in a heartbeat.

Did I read correctly that Trinnov is not compatible with Pro Logic IIz or 9.2/11.2 or was it both?

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#86413 - 03/08/11 12:27 AM Re: Current 978 Feature List [Re: Retep]
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Originally Posted By: Retep
Did I read correctly that Trinnov is not compatible with Pro Logic IIz or 9.2/11.2 or was it both?

I don't think I ever heard that. Adding more channels would seem to add processing work load, but I haven't heard of a reason why the underlying algorithms would be fundamentally unable to scale up beyond 7.1.
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#86419 - 03/08/11 11:23 AM Re: Current 978 Feature List [Re: gonk]
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Originally Posted By: gonk
Originally Posted By: Retep
Did I read correctly that Trinnov is not compatible with Pro Logic IIz or 9.2/11.2 or was it both?

I don't think I ever heard that. Adding more channels would seem to add processing work load, but I haven't heard of a reason why the underlying algorithms would be fundamentally unable to scale up beyond 7.1.
Thanks gonk.

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#86426 - 03/08/11 07:14 PM Re: Current 978 Feature List [Re: Retep]
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I wonder if at least part of the difficulty in implementing Trinnov isn't due to its interface with the Dolby systems we all know and love so much. I wonder if the Trinnov spatial remapping ability doesn't confuse the Dolby systems to some extent.
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#86432 - 03/08/11 11:18 PM Re: Current 978 Feature List [Re: XenonMan]
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I wouldn't think so - room correction should happen after any Dolby or DTS processing (either decoding or matrix processing like Pro Logic II or Neo:6) is applied.
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#86437 - 03/09/11 05:22 PM Re: Current 978 Feature List [Re: gonk]
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Yes, ditto Audyssey's room correction.
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