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#85946 - 02/08/11 12:00 AM Buying a 990 in 2011
73Bruin Offline
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Registered: 01/01/03
Posts: 506
Loc: Torrance, CA USA
I am slowly upgrading from my old 1050 based system (see my configuration below). Currently, I do not have any equipment that supports HDMI and my HDTV seems to do slightly better with component input vs DVI. I am guessing that I am at least 1-3 years away from getting a new HDTV.

I see that Outlaw is now starting to offer 990's as B stock with an attractive 3yr. warranty. I was thinking that I could use the 990 to replace the 1050 and then start investigating blu-ray players. An alternative would be something like the Marantz SR5005 used as a pre-pro, but for $150 more, I get both the 990 and an Oppo BDP-93.

Any thoughts?
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Outlaw 750 for Artison Masterpiece LCR and 2 NHT SuperZeros rears
Velodyne Servo FX-1200
LG OLED65C8PUA via HDMI2 to/from 976 HDMI ARC
Roku Ultra
Samsung BD-D5500 BluRay
Amazon FireStick 4K to 976 Aux HDMI input for Amazon Music Ultra

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#85947 - 02/08/11 12:40 AM Re: Buying a 990 in 2011 [Re: 73Bruin]
gonk Offline
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Registered: 03/21/01
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Loc: Memphis, TN USA
The BDP-93 and Model 990 makes for a pretty wicked combo, in my opinion, even without room correction. If you do this, though, you'll want to re-visit the notion of preferring component over DVI with your TV - the BDP-93's Marvell processor only works with the HDMI1 output, and it's worth using if your TV will accept it.
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#85948 - 02/08/11 08:53 AM Re: Buying a 990 in 2011 [Re: 73Bruin]
PeterT Offline
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Registered: 11/19/05
Posts: 263
Originally Posted By: 73Bruin
I am slowly upgrading from my old 1050 based system (see my configuration below). Currently, I do not have any equipment that supports HDMI and my HDTV seems to do slightly better with component input vs DVI. I am guessing that I am at least 1-3 years away from getting a new HDTV.

I see that Outlaw is now starting to offer 990's as B stock with an attractive 3yr. warranty. I was thinking that I could use the 990 to replace the 1050 and then start investigating blu-ray players. An alternative would be something like the Marantz SR5005 used as a pre-pro, but for $150 more, I get both the 990 and an Oppo BDP-93.

Any thoughts?


73Bruin,

The 990 will deliver a major performance improvement to your system over the 950. Among other things its DACS are more advanced than its predecessor.
This promo was sent out at 6 AM EST today. Already we have sold several units (and the west coast hasn't even awakened yet.) If you are going to move, I suggest that you make your decision quickly. Remember that you also still have a 30 day evaluation period.

Peter

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#85949 - 02/08/11 09:19 AM Re: Buying a 990 in 2011 [Re: PeterT]
tjr Offline
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Registered: 02/08/11
Posts: 1
Is it just me, or does anyone else think it's a little avaricious of the Outlaws to take a $200 trade-in and turn around and sell it for twice that price? I can't imagine it takes $200 of effort to process and 'thoroughly test' each unit.

I think I understand the company name a little better, because this sounds like a ripoff.

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#85950 - 02/08/11 09:47 AM Re: Buying a 990 in 2011 [Re: tjr]
gonk Offline
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Loc: Memphis, TN USA
Actually, they offered $300 for the Model 990 and $200 for the Model 970, and they payed for the shipping on the returned units:

Quote:
For those who presently own an Outlaw Model 990 or Model 970 processor, purchasing the Marantz AV 7005 from the Outlaws will qualify you for a unique, limited time only offer. At the end of your 30-day evaluation period, if you decide to keep the AV 7005 you are eligible to participate in a buyback program for your Model 990 or Model 970 surround processor. This offer is good for 20 days after the completion of your 30-day "evaluation period" of the AV 7005. You must return the processor to us in good working condition with all of the original accessories, including the original remote control(s) (and EQ mic for the Model 990). We'll even pay the return freight and, upon receipt and inspection of your returned processor, you'll receive $300 for a Model 990 or $200 for a Model 970.**


That means they paid shipping on the units, received the units, tested the units, updated firmware if needed, and cleaned them up if needed. In addition, they are providing a one-year warranty on the units when they re-sell them. All of that involves costs to them. Yes, they still make a profit, but it's not much of one. It seems like a far cry from a rip-off to me...
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#85951 - 02/08/11 11:07 AM Re: Buying a 990 in 2011 [Re: gonk]
73Bruin Offline
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Registered: 01/01/03
Posts: 506
Loc: Torrance, CA USA
Well I have decided to go ahead and trial a 990. Placed the order with Scott this morning.

To TJR: The typical price of the 990's that I have seen being sold on Audiogon and eBay is around $375 not including shipping. Assuming the 990's capabilities fit your needs (as it fits mine), getting a cleaned, updated, guaranteed working unit for $25 extra is a no brainer. Getting a 3 year extended warranty for $50 more means that I am pretty sure that I will not have problems for a long time.



Edited by 73Bruin (02/08/11 11:08 AM)
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Living Room 24x18 open 1/2 flight up to a raised dining room/hall 24x12
Outlaw 976 pre-pro running 5.1 system
Outlaw 750 for Artison Masterpiece LCR and 2 NHT SuperZeros rears
Velodyne Servo FX-1200
LG OLED65C8PUA via HDMI2 to/from 976 HDMI ARC
Roku Ultra
Samsung BD-D5500 BluRay
Amazon FireStick 4K to 976 Aux HDMI input for Amazon Music Ultra

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#85955 - 02/08/11 12:37 PM Re: Buying a 990 in 2011 [Re: tjr]
PodBoy Offline
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Registered: 05/09/05
Posts: 281
Originally Posted By: tjr
Is it just me, or does anyone else think it's a little avaricious of the Outlaws to take a $200 trade-in and turn around and sell it for twice that price? I can't imagine it takes $200 of effort to process and 'thoroughly test' each unit.

I think I understand the company name a little better, because this sounds like a ripoff.


To be honest, I think you are correct. It probably is "just you".

Have you ever traded in a car? Does the dealer resell it at the same price they paid you, or do they put a bit of money into checking it out, cleaning it up and then making a little profit. Anything wrong with that?

Gonk's take on this is correct, not to mention that he has the facts correctly. 73Bruin also validates the price by mentioning what these are going for in the on-line market.

More importantly, if anyone thought that the $300 buy-back was not enough, there is nothing to prevent someone from selling their gear on-line or otherwise, getting what they can for it, and then using the money to buy an AV 7005 or whatever else strikes their fancy. Hmmm, again like when you buy a car -- you can sell your old one yourself and get a higher price than when you trade it in, or you can get a slightly lower price but eliminate the hassles of selling it by just handing the keys over to the dealer.

What's the big deal?


Edited by PodBoy (02/08/11 02:44 PM)

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#85969 - 02/09/11 12:14 PM Re: Buying a 990 in 2011 [Re: tjr]
Bill O Offline
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Registered: 08/14/06
Posts: 164
Loc: Missouri
Originally Posted By: tjr
Is it just me, or does anyone else think it's a little avaricious of the Outlaws to take a $200 trade-in and turn around and sell it for twice that price? I can't imagine it takes $200 of effort to process and 'thoroughly test' each unit.

I think I understand the company name a little better, because this sounds like a ripoff.



What's this country comming to when one man turns a profit....
And then we have individuals who will squander their resources to by a luxury items ?
Both should be taxed to death , or hacked to death.
Greedy Capitalist Pigs

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#85984 - 02/09/11 07:16 PM Re: Buying a 990 in 2011 [Re: Bill O]
XenonMan Offline
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Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 2676
Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
They will sell all of those units at the going market price. If people don't buy them, the price will come down accordingly. Outlaw is not stupid enough to sell good units at below market prices just to get rid of them.
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Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD
APC H15 Power Conditioner

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Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


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Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
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#86027 - 02/12/11 02:14 PM Re: Buying a 990 in 2011 [Re: XenonMan]
BadLikeJesseJames Offline
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Registered: 01/24/07
Posts: 36
Loc: Tucson, Az.-Orange County, Ca.
At these prices I'm considering buying one just to have as a spare.
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Bedroom: Outlaw 990-Outlaw 7125. Aperion's all the way around. Apple TV. HTPC built from scratch.


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