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#85872 - 02/01/11 02:10 AM Re: Trinnov and 9.2/11.2 Systems? [Re: gonk]
sdurani Offline
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Originally Posted By: gonk
I do recall there being an option in the spec for the .1 channel to be used as an additional full-range channel
Good article from Secrets about various height channel attempts with multi-channel music:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_8_4/dvd-benchmark-part-6-dvd-audio-11-2001.html

Scroll down to the middle of the page, under the heading 'Raising the Roof of Your Listening Room'.
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#85876 - 02/01/11 04:47 PM Re: Trinnov and 9.2/11.2 Systems? [Re: sdurani]
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Originally Posted By: sdurani
Originally Posted By: gonk
I do recall there being an option in the spec for the .1 channel to be used as an additional full-range channel
Good article from Secrets about various height channel attempts with multi-channel music:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_8_4/dvd-benchmark-part-6-dvd-audio-11-2001.html

Scroll down to the middle of the page, under the heading 'Raising the Roof of Your Listening Room'.


Facinating read! Anyone else notice the supplier of the speakers under the heading "Observational Listening"? Back when they were getting good publicity such as this.
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#85877 - 02/01/11 05:01 PM Re: Trinnov and 9.2/11.2 Systems? [Re: sdurani]
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Originally Posted By: sdurani
Good article from Secrets about various height channel attempts with multi-channel music:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_8_4/dvd-benchmark-part-6-dvd-audio-11-2001.html

Scroll down to the middle of the page, under the heading 'Raising the Roof of Your Listening Room'.

I had forgotten that DVD-Audio also had some options for this. It always seemed like a tremendous amount of trouble to do, even if the software supported it. The idea of installing one or two (or more) separate speakers along with switching and even additional channels of amplification just to play one or two discs was just too hard to accept. It is a little easier to accept the idea now, with PLIIz and DSX offering matrix processing to provide more widespread use of the speakers.

From all I've read, height speakers are a good idea. It's just the in-room implementation that I expect to trip up a good number of people.

Originally Posted By: skiman
Anyone else notice the supplier of the speakers under the heading "Observational Listening"? Back when they were getting good publicity such as this.

Back when they still existed, for that matter. Of course, the speakers being discussed in that article were Swans, not AV123 products, and Swans are still available through other dealers.
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#85886 - 02/02/11 06:24 AM Re: Trinnov and 9.2/11.2 Systems? [Re: gonk]
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Originally Posted By: gonk
It is a little easier to accept the idea now, with PLIIz and DSX offering matrix processing to provide more widespread use of the speakers.
It has also lead to consensus on height speaker placement. Dolby suggests directly above the main L/R speakers (typically +/-30 degrees), adding that better results can be had by spreading them out a bit (+/-45 degrees). The latter recommendation is the same as Audyssey's as well as DTS' upcoming Neo:X. So yes, it is a little easier to accept (and implement) the idea now.
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#86053 - 02/13/11 06:47 PM Re: Trinnov and 9.2/11.2 Systems? [Re: sdurani]
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I first read this string a few weeks ago and unfortunately don't get back to the Hideout often enough. I had to trim down my 7.1 system when the house was rearranged. Moving from the full long room to a much smaller section required me to 'loose' the rear surrounds (two Outlaw BLS) and only run 5.1. Since I run a Outlaw 950 and use the Oppo-83SE for prime audio, I'm used to only 5.1 with the 950's limit of 5.1 analog inputs. Surrounding myself with my Outlaw LCS speakers in a smaller area sounded nice but now the front sound stage was more direct and less "room filling". After reading this string and thinking about the two BLS speakers and two channels of my Outlaw 770 amp going to waste I came up with a change. Maybe this is not Outlaw recommended but I used two 'Y' connectors to send the 950 outputs left and right fronts to the unused rear left and right surround channels of the 770. I then used these two front channels to power the BLS speakers mounted high, front left and right. They aren't directly above the front left and rights but a little wider at about 40 degrees where the lower fronts are about 30 degrees. The result? First and foremost is that this configuration does NOT allow for balance or individual crossover adjustment between the lower LCS and higher BLS speakers. The plus side is that I now have very full left and right front. This matched very well with the left and right surrounds also being mounted high just behind the listening position. I'm still playing with specific placement but again have 7.0 individual powered channels that sound larger with the sub still singing solid. The BLS do add more lower end with their ported cabinet design and I reduced my sub output some to compensate. I need to live with this setup more but my current review is a very good solid sound with a smoother transition of sounds transitioning from front to back.
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#86063 - 02/14/11 02:49 PM Re: Trinnov and 9.2/11.2 Systems? [Re: Kubrickfan]
Retep Offline
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Registered: 01/19/06
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Loc: Tauranga, New Zealand
Originally Posted By: Kubrickfan
I need to live with this setup more but my current review is a very good solid sound with a smoother transition of sounds transitioning from front to back.
I'll be very interested to know how you like it long term.

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#86069 - 02/15/11 11:24 AM Re: Trinnov and 9.2/11.2 Systems? [Re: Kubrickfan]
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Registered: 01/04/10
Posts: 39
Originally Posted By: Kubrickfan
I first read this string a few weeks ago and unfortunately don't get back to the Hideout often enough. I had to trim down my 7.1 system when the house was rearranged. Moving from the full long room to a much smaller section required me to 'loose' the rear surrounds (two Outlaw BLS) and only run 5.1. Since I run a Outlaw 950 and use the Oppo-83SE for prime audio, I'm used to only 5.1 with the 950's limit of 5.1 analog inputs. Surrounding myself with my Outlaw LCS speakers in a smaller area sounded nice but now the front sound stage was more direct and less "room filling". After reading this string and thinking about the two BLS speakers and two channels of my Outlaw 770 amp going to waste I came up with a change. Maybe this is not Outlaw recommended but I used two 'Y' connectors to send the 950 outputs left and right fronts to the unused rear left and right surround channels of the 770. I then used these two front channels to power the BLS speakers mounted high, front left and right. They aren't directly above the front left and rights but a little wider at about 40 degrees where the lower fronts are about 30 degrees. The result? First and foremost is that this configuration does NOT allow for balance or individual crossover adjustment between the lower LCS and higher BLS speakers. The plus side is that I now have very full left and right front. This matched very well with the left and right surrounds also being mounted high just behind the listening position. I'm still playing with specific placement but again have 7.0 individual powered channels that sound larger with the sub still singing solid. The BLS do add more lower end with their ported cabinet design and I reduced my sub output some to compensate. I need to live with this setup more but my current review is a very good solid sound with a smoother transition of sounds transitioning from front to back.


Don't worry, in HT set-ups from time to time, it is OK to break the rules and in the end, it is what sounds best to you.
Once you get this most current set-up to where you want it, listen for awhile, then remove the speakers you added.
I can almost assure you, you will wonder why you hadn't done this before.

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#86813 - 04/19/11 10:06 AM Re: Trinnov and 9.2/11.2 Systems? [Re: gonk]
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Thanks for the info.
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