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#85645 - 01/20/11 10:51 PM Re: Trinnov and 9.2/11.2 Systems? [Re: unpossible]
gonk Offline
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I've heard a similar argument regarding Pro Logic IIz's height channels.
Originally Posted By: unpossible
That said, putting those wides out at 60 degrees may be a limiting factor for many - it is kind of a weird angle/positioning.

In my case, the left wide would be in a doorway.
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#85646 - 01/20/11 10:54 PM Re: Trinnov and 9.2/11.2 Systems? [Re: gonk]
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I'd have to rip out the foundation in my basement!
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#85656 - 01/21/11 11:30 AM Re: Trinnov and 9.2/11.2 Systems? [Re: Jeff Mackwood]
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In my case, I would have to remove a six-foot long sliding door.

Incidentally, the more I thought about it, didn't Sunfire(and their Emotiva "clones", i.e DMC-1 and DMR-1)have a L/R "Wide" option with similar speaker positioning in their Pre-Pro and AVRs back a few years ago and is there really anything new here? They, obviously, chose to remove this feature from subsequent models.

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#85657 - 01/21/11 12:19 PM Re: Trinnov and 9.2/11.2 Systems? [Re: Jeff Mackwood]
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Originally Posted By: Jeff Mackwood


We all have our passions. But I think I'm in with the vast majority who really don't feel any need for those additional channels.



Well we all have our own scenario's and what may suite me, may not suite you. I have an 11.5' wide CIH setup in a room that's more than 30' long. My screen is not acoustically transparent because there's a large window on the backside. The room acts as a library, sitting room, bar and theater. It's not dedicated to any one thing. However, I could easily see adding front height and wide channels would add to the sound stage considerably.

That being said, I can also see how Trinnov/Audessey XT might add a serious improvement since the front channel resides below the screen. This may negate the need for extra channels, but I don't know since I've never heard the difference. At times I can notice the placement of the center channel even with some of the center channel spread to the left and right.

With all of that, I could see the benefit of more channels for my situation. On my second system, I know it wouldn't benefit much, if at all. Obviously everyone's situation unique, but just because some people hit a wall - when it comes to the number of channels - doesn't mean everyone does.

So you may be right, the vast majority may not feel the need, but there are those of us the certainly do. You can make a blind judgment, but until people have the opportunity to listen to the difference in soundstage for themselves you're implying judgement based on your own needs and experience.

Now that new episode of the BBT last night was pretty damn good.


Edited by Retep (01/21/11 12:20 PM)

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#85662 - 01/21/11 04:06 PM Re: Trinnov and 9.2/11.2 Systems? [Re: Retep]
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Originally Posted By: Retep
Originally Posted By: Jeff Mackwood


We all have our passions. But I think I'm in with the vast majority who really don't feel any need for those additional channels.



Well we all have our own scenario's and what may suite me, may not suite you. I have an 11.5' wide CIH setup in a room that's more than 30' long. My screen is not acoustically transparent because there's a large window on the backside. The room acts as a library, sitting room, bar and theater. It's not dedicated to any one thing. However, I could easily see adding front height and wide channels would add to the sound stage considerably.

That being said, I can also see how Trinnov/Audessey XT might add a serious improvement since the front channel resides below the screen. This may negate the need for extra channels, but I don't know since I've never heard the difference. At times I can notice the placement of the center channel even with some of the center channel spread to the left and right.

With all of that, I could see the benefit of more channels for my situation. On my second system, I know it wouldn't benefit much, if at all. Obviously everyone's situation unique, but just because some people hit a wall - when it comes to the number of channels - doesn't mean everyone does.

So you may be right, the vast majority may not feel the need, but there are those of us the certainly do. You can make a blind judgment, but until people have the opportunity to listen to the difference in soundstage for themselves you're implying judgement based on your own needs and experience.

Now that new episode of the BBT last night was pretty damn good.


I think for clarification purposes, we might want to differentiate between additional channels as opposed to additional speakers. If you are talking additional speakers, then I am with you here all the way.

I have a room that is 12' X 28' and my set up includes 11 speakers, made up of two front height speakers, a full size center and floor-standing L/R along with FOUR L/R surrounds,TWO back surrounds and FOUR subwoofers! There is no doubt that once you get used to having sound through all these drivers it is pretty hard to go back. For eg. my L/R surrounds include both bipole and direct radiating types, however, as an experiment, back awhile ago, I chose to remove one pair of the two to hear what it sounded like and boy did it make a difference.

Even though there is a duplication of sound in some of the speakers, whether or not sound design experts at some point start mixing sound in to additional channels in movies, if you have a bigger than average room, there is no doubt extra speakers can make a significant difference.

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#85665 - 01/21/11 05:32 PM Re: Trinnov and 9.2/11.2 Systems? [Re: casey01]
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Originally Posted By: casey01

I think for clarification purposes, we might want to differentiate between additional channels as opposed to additional speakers. If you are talking additional speakers, then I am with you here all the way.

Even though there is a duplication of sound in some of the speakers, whether or not sound design experts at some point start mixing sound in to additional channels in movies, if you have a bigger than average room, there is no doubt extra speakers can make a significant difference.

I agree with you. I have no doubt there would be a difference. Are you currently using any process such as Audessey with your current setup?


Edited by Retep (01/21/11 05:34 PM)

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#85666 - 01/21/11 09:07 PM Re: Trinnov and 9.2/11.2 Systems? [Re: Retep]
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Originally Posted By: Retep
Originally Posted By: casey01

I think for clarification purposes, we might want to differentiate between additional channels as opposed to additional speakers. If you are talking additional speakers, then I am with you here all the way.

Even though there is a duplication of sound in some of the speakers, whether or not sound design experts at some point start mixing sound in to additional channels in movies, if you have a bigger than average room, there is no doubt extra speakers can make a significant difference.

I agree with you. I have no doubt there would be a difference. Are you currently using any process such as Audessey with your current setup?


I have tried a couple of these Room EQ systems including the Audyssey process on my latest Marantz AVR(that I am using as a Pre-Pro)hooked up to two 7200s and an SMS-1. That is why I am able to drive all these speakers. The bottom line is I have never been particularly thrilled with the results(the process tends to be hit and miss) and it cuts bass response too much. It is well known that these EQ's can't read bass accurately below 50HZ and that even applies to readings from an SPL meter.

Some people love the process, others, like myself, got results that have been less than positive.

It is interesting to note that although they don't always come out and flatly state it, many of the speaker companies who tout flat and transparent frequency response(which is most, if not all), aren't particularly thrilled with people using Room EQ systems since they feel it negatively affects the original design purpose of their products and ultimately the sound.

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#85679 - 01/22/11 04:34 PM Re: Trinnov and 9.2/11.2 Systems? [Re: Retep]
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Originally Posted By: Retep
Originally Posted By: casey01

I think for clarification purposes, we might want to differentiate between additional channels as opposed to additional speakers. If you are talking additional speakers, then I am with you here all the way.

Even though there is a duplication of sound in some of the speakers, whether or not sound design experts at some point start mixing sound in to additional channels in movies, if you have a bigger than average room, there is no doubt extra speakers can make a significant difference.

I agree with you. I have no doubt there would be a difference. Are you currently using any process such as Audessey with your current setup?


Does this mean that you agree with me as well?

ps. for the record my main HT is a 7.1 system consisting of 12 main speakers and 5 powered subs. To repeat, it provides all of the height, width and depth experience that I could ever want - without the need for extra channels.
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#85686 - 01/23/11 11:57 AM Re: Trinnov and 9.2/11.2 Systems? [Re: gonk]
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Is anyone actually using the height channels? I would be interested in how they affect the surround effect. I could see them for gaming but is there any content that actually is made for the height features? I have three different system all capable of 7.1 or 7.2 but all configured for 5.1. I just don't have enough space for all the speakers 7.1 takes. Too many wires to run.
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#85687 - 01/23/11 11:58 AM Re: Trinnov and 9.2/11.2 Systems? [Re: Jeff Mackwood]
Retep Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jeff Mackwood

Does this mean that you agree with me as well?

ps. for the record my main HT is a 7.1 system consisting of 12 main speakers and 5 powered subs. To repeat, it provides all of the height, width and depth experience that I could ever want - without the need for extra channels.
That's insane. Would love to hear it. 5 Powered subs, wow. I'm in the process of building an Maelstrom 21, but it'll be a couple months before I'm finished. A little here and a little there.

I'd still be interested in how those extra channels, especially the wide, are processed. Because you could still add additional channels on top of those.

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