Peter, could you go into any more detail on how the two products will differ? What will the 978 offer, feature-wise, that the AV7005 doesn't? And what won't the 978 do that the AV7005 does? I think the AV7005's networking features won't be found on the 978, for example.

Some of us will have to take a good look at the AV7005 to see if it will meet the needs we're looking for, but it's hard to do against a product that isn't fully detailed yet.

Thanks for any input you can offer,

Scott

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Niksmixpop,

Obviously we are pleased that you want to wait for a 978. It might just fit your needs. For the record however, we are NOT selling AV 7005 at a discount. For those 990 and 970 owners who purchase the 7005 we are providing them a way to sell their older processors back to us that we can later offer as “B” stock in good working order.

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Peter,

Sorry about that. I should of been more specific about the buy back offer for 990/970 owners that was detailed in the e-mail I received. It is great of Outlaw to do this for current 990/970 owners.

Pat

Many SACDs are issued in stereo only mode. A processor that can accept a stereo DSD signal, and is therefore not able to apply room correction and/or bass management control, but would presumably have superior digital to analogue conversion (instead of this function being done in the player), is very desireable. By it's very nature, two channel stereo doesn't need these post processing functions nearly as much as multichannel music does. Of course, you need two full range speakers in this case, or a subwoofer that can accept speaker level input and apply it's own bass management.

I'm a long time Outlaw 990 user. I haven't posted here in a long time.. Just pulled the trigger on the AV7005 and I'm very excited. Looks like it will fit very well in my H/T. Direct DSD from SACD isn't really a big deal for me. The rest of the unit looks awesome. Especially given the price.

@Outlaws, any eta on an AV7005 specific forum topic?


Thanks,
Scott

The Marantz AV8003, like the Outlaw 990, was noted for having superior digital and analog electronics and sound for the price. I believe the 990 shared similar digital electronics with the Anthem preamps at 3-5 times the cost. I would guess that the AV7005 is not what an AV8004 would be at roughly half the price. Peter T., can you tell us which DACs and digital audio processor the AV7005 uses and how this compares with the AV8003? I cannot find it in the Marantz manuals or in the Outlaw user guide. Many of the printed specs of the 7005 are similar to the 8003, but there must have been some compromises to cut the price almost in half.

I believe that those questions are best answered by Marantz. It is really up to them to reveal their component choices.

Peter

I was always under the impression that a key point for DSD (per the format advocates) was that unlike PCM, the 1-bit nature of the DAC ensures monotonicity and linearity over the entire dynamic range--in other words superb analog sound without requiring extreme chip precision. If that is at all true, then the analog sound from any competent DSD player ought to be so close to SOTA that it would be meaningless to seek an alternative DAC, such as inside the pre-pro, which is in contrast to the case for PCM, where the DAC (chip + I-V converter + reconstruction filters) plays a much more significant role in the sonic outcome. All the pre-pro needs for DSD is a clean, direct analog path into the volume control, and that is dead easy to do.

Based on this, Brent, I cannot understand your deal-killing stance, and Skiman, it is already possible for you to make exactly the comparison you want to do between DSD and PCM, simply by selecting the player's analog outputs.

I did a little searching. The AV8003 uses Cirrus Logic CS4382A DACs (same multichannel DAC chip used in the BDP-83, coincidently). Someone on AVS posted a report that the SR7005 uses an AKM 4358 DAC, which would likely be the same as the AV7005. The Model 990 uses the Analog Device AD1852.

Thanks Gonk.

I'm still holding out for the Outlaws' 978.
Besides loyalty I have this feeling that the Outlaws are going to come out shooting.
I have owned the 990 for some time now and the 990 delivers and so does the customer service from the Outlaws.
To be honest with my fellow Outlaws the 990 is a piece of equipment that I am not sure I want to give up. As I said before in other posts I do not understand what the big upset-meant was with some Outlaws in regards to a release date for a new processor.
I do understand however those outlaws that are without a processor and are in need.
I will say that the announcement of a new processor from Outlaw was a little pre-mature given that it has been at least a year since said announcement.
That being said I am still a captive by the Outlaw organization.