At this point Trinnov looks like poison to everyone who touches it.

I think Outlaw would have done better to have convinced Trinnov to let them build a cheaper standalone consumer version that didn't require integrating software -- which I suspect has been what has derailed everyone else.

I'm guessing it will be six to twelve months more, but without 3D crap and full HDMI 1.4 (or is it 1.4a?) that many people will be expecting as most mainstream upper-end units will likely all have by then.

Sad.

My advice, if anyone is listening, is that Outlaw can't possibly help and can only hurt by continuing the policy of holding their cards close to their vest. I think it would only help, and keep the dream alive for those of us who are waiting and would buy the product to share the ups and downs with us in weekly or monthly updates.

I mean get real, who do they think they're fooling at this point? Any future customer knows what Newcastle and Outlaw went through, the delays, more delays, etc., by now.

That cat is long out of the bags guys. If they're worried making announcements that lead to disappointment will cast a black cloud over the product they haven't been following the Trinnov saga as closely as anyone who might buy it. The black cloud is already here, and has been here. Rather than worrying about it Outlaw should start doing something to disperse it.

In my opinion anyway.