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#83370 - 04/20/10 10:35 AM Re: Symptoms of under-powered system [Re: XenonMan]
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Can I jump in here with a question about low-powered amplification? I recently upgraded my makeshift center-channel speaker from a Totem Acoustic Mite to a Von Schweikert VR-1, now I'm thinking of switching monoblocks to drive it. I'm currently using a Marantz MA-500 amp, which kicks 125 watts. Suddenly I've been thinking about a tube mono or something, but that means maybe 45 watts. Will that be enough to push the VR-1? I've read that it is a pretty "efficient" speaker, but maybe I should just stick with higher wattage? I've also thought about going bigger with an Outlaw M2200, though the sale just ended. I do everything on the cheap, so I have to strike when I can catch a deal.


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#83373 - 04/20/10 07:45 PM Re: Symptoms of under-powered system [Re: tru blu]
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The VR-1s are 89 db efficient. 45 watts ought to drive them pretty hard. I would expect at least 104 db SPL out of the tube amp. For the solid state amps I would stick with what you have. 200 watts is not a lot more than 125 watts as far as SPL. It is less than 3 db increase and will be hard to hear.
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#83380 - 04/21/10 06:14 PM Re: Symptoms of under-powered system [Re: XenonMan]
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Thanx, XenonMan. Great info. Next step, finding a tube monoblock that's audiophile quality, compact and affordable. Here we go again…
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#83551 - 05/01/10 01:14 PM Re: Symptoms of under-powered system [Re: XenonMan]
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Anyone have any experience with Dynaco tube amps? I've come across a couple in my price range, but I'm a bit skeptical, not because they're vintage, but more for things like bass control, which seems to be their weak spot.
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#83554 - 05/01/10 09:42 PM Re: Symptoms of under-powered system [Re: tru blu]
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I have rebuilt a few ST70's and have been very pleased with them. I've used them with a variety of speakers from Klipsch LaScalas, Polk LSI's, many different NHT's, KEF's, AV123 Encore's, Advents and many more. I love the Dynaco's and bass control has never been a problem, even when using the stock driver circuitry. Try one out, you won't lose money they hold their value.

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#83558 - 05/02/10 01:45 AM Re: Symptoms of under-powered system [Re: Keta]
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they can turn a average set of book shelf speakers into a mind-blower!
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#83562 - 05/02/10 07:20 AM Re: Symptoms of under-powered system [Re: Jimna]
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Thanx, cats. Really helpful to hear about the ST-70 in particular, Keta, because the monoblocks I've been assessing, Mark IVs, are actually the mono versions of that stereo amp. They also fit my space requirements; one Mk IV will easily slip into the space currently occupied by the Marantz MA500. I'll report back if I end up acquiring something. Thanx again.
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#83802 - 05/30/10 01:35 AM Re: Symptoms of under-powered system [Re: tru blu]
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Just checkin' in to say that I've been living with a Quicksilver Mini-Mono tube monoblock for about three days now, and the 25wpc power seems to be enough. I'll check in again when I've done some critical listening and tube rolling.
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#84315 - 07/16/10 02:13 PM Re: Symptoms of under-powered system [Re: tru blu]
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Tube update: Think I'm done tube-rolling with this Quicksilver monoblock, because the current configuration sounds positively stunning. I think I said that the Telefunken 12AX7 tube was an instant improvement in the input slot, but it even got a boost when I rolled a matched pair of bottle-looking JJ/Tesla KT88s into the outputs.

JJ/Teslas in particular seem to make this amp sing…before I settled on the KT88s, the other pair that impressed me were JJ/Tesla 6L6GCs. In between, I rolled in some vintage Russian military tubes shipped from Moldova (6P3S-Es; dull-sounding) as well as a pair of extremely hard-to-find EI KT90 v.IIIs from Serbia, which were s'posed to blow everything else away, but sounded a bit shrill to me even though they had hefty bass. (I'll probably sell them soon.) With the KT88s, I suddenly got the same feeling I got when I blundered into mid-fi by bi-wiring my former Totem Mite loudspeaker. Sometimes you're just experimenting, and voila! it feels perfect.
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#84316 - 07/16/10 03:17 PM Re: Symptoms of under-powered system [Re: Keta]
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I have a ST70 that needs a little love. Care to recommend any good parts and kit sources?
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