#81098 - 05/09/09 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by nomoneybutgoodsound: That was a joke - right? People don't really spend $1500 for a pair of cables, do they? I can see $200 for a set, but $1500. I remember reading a review of 3 different speaker cables - the super expensive, the inexpensive and the the Home Depot extension cord. The results were not that surprising. All were 12 gauge and the reviewer had trouble justifying the high priced ones. So seriously, was that a joke? List price for the cables he mentioned above (MIT Oracle 3.2) is about $3500/pair. I think it's a joke, but there are folks out there that apparently don't. If I had A few grand to spend on cables, I likely wouldn't be using Outlaw equipment (no offense). Best,
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#81099 - 05/09/09 11:56 PM
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#81100 - 05/10/09 01:15 AM
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#81101 - 05/10/09 07:56 PM
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I would be more certain I agreed with you if I'd actually heard A/B double blind comparisons of cables at different price levels. Not having done so - who has? - my most honest response is that I hope you're right. I have a term for claims beyond that: YBBI-talk (You Better Believe It).
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#81102 - 05/11/09 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by psyprof1: I would be more certain I agreed with you if I'd actually heard A/B double blind comparisons of cables at different price levels. Not having done so - who has? - my most honest response is that I hope you're right. I have a term for claims beyond that: YBBI-talk (You Better Believe It). This story fron Engadget always makes me laugh. We've always believed that the perceived quality boost that comes from using high-end cables is really just a trick of the mind (read: justifying the ridiculous cost of premium cables to yourself) -- if you've dropped enough cash, you can probably hear anything you want. Still, our belief is one thing -- cold hard proof is another, and it looks like a group of 12 self-professed "audiophiles" recently couldn't tell the difference between Monster 1000 speaker cables and plain old coat hangers. Yeah, coat hangers. The group was A-Bing different cables, and unbeknownst to them, the engineer running the test swapped out a set of cables for coat hangers with soldered-on speaker connections. Not a single one was then able to tell the difference between the Monster Cable and the hangers, and all agreed that the hangers sounded excellent. No wonder Monster has to rig HD displays. Still, we bet people still fall for the hype -- oh hey, if you're looking for the ultimate in sound, we've got half a meter of oxygen-free, triple-wrapped double-insulated Sonically Shielded AmpliSized Egyptian Llama cable here that we'll part ways with for just a couple grand. Engadget
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#81103 - 05/12/09 07:32 AM
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Registered: 12/05/05
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Loc: FL
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Originally posted by Ritz2: Originally posted by nomoneybutgoodsound: [b] That was a joke - right? People don't really spend $1500 for a pair of cables, do they? I can see $200 for a set, but $1500. I remember reading a review of 3 different speaker cables - the super expensive, the inexpensive and the the Home Depot extension cord. The results were not that surprising. All were 12 gauge and the reviewer had trouble justifying the high priced ones. So seriously, was that a joke? List price for the cables he mentioned above (MIT Oracle 3.2) is about $3500/pair. I think it's a joke, but there are folks out there that apparently don't. If I had A few grand to spend on cables, I likely wouldn't be using Outlaw equipment (no offense).
Best, [/b]I had some older MIT MI-330 cables and "traded up". I purchased 1.5 pair (3 cables) of the Oracle 3.2 XLR for the front, and 1 pair (2 cables) of Shotgun S3 XLR for the surrounds. Then got the Z-Stabilizer for the power. Total price was under $2K. If it wasn't for the fact I was trading in my old cables (which was more than selling on eBay) and the new ones about 70% off MSRP, I wouldn't of purchased them. Say what you want, but with my B&W 804S/HTM3S speakers, I could hear a difference between them and the older MI-330 cables. All of the new cables have switchable impedance networks. They are set to low (which sounds best with the 7500), but can be set to medium or high for a different sound timber.
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#81104 - 07/15/09 12:13 PM
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Gunslinger
Registered: 01/25/09
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Unfortunately this thread got hijacked and turned into a debate about cable quality. To get it back on its original track...
There is one other difference between the S/N R972 and the Outlaw 997: The R972 will have a dual mode (RF+IR) remote. The Outlaw info doesn't mention RF, so I assume its remote will be IR only.
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#81105 - 07/15/09 10:35 PM
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Gunslinger
Registered: 07/15/09
Posts: 22
Loc: Pleasant Grove, Utah
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Hey all!
I too have been eagerly anticipating the 997's release which has been including keeping tabs on the R-972's progress and I found some interesting information on-line from a website called 'Projector Packages' and they list the R-972 available with an MSRP of $2242.89 and an 'in cart' price of $1835. Since there was discussion on the price of this receiver, I though I'd register and mention it here, FYI.
I was wondering if the site's claim of 'WE ARE THE ONLY AUTHORIZED ONLINE USA SHERWOOD NEWCASTLE DEALER' since I've seen Axiom sell Sherwood Newcastle products and thought they'd be authorized too. I also think the 'List price' seems rather inflated, but the 'add to cart' price seems to reflect what other people have suggested.
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#81106 - 07/15/09 10:37 PM
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