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#80049 - 11/28/08 07:13 PM Re: 997 Video Processing
BloggingITGuy Offline
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The processing capabilities in most TVs suck compared to a good video processor. The margins on most TVs are so thin these days and consumers aren't willing to pay more (in most cases) to get a TV/projector with a good processor.

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#80050 - 11/29/08 01:20 AM Re: 997 Video Processing
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Agree with Gonk. The Reon in my Onkyo 885 is going completely to waste because I don't want it mucking with my blu-ray picture, and it is global-or-nothing.

Which is a shame, because it did make a pretty worthwhile improvement in my Dish Network pic. Not worth the mucking with the blu-ray picture though.

The 9.9 may well have rectified this, Gonk, as it was a major peeve among the 9.8/885 crowd, and I assume Onkyo paid some attention to that demographic, since the unit sold far beyond their expectations.

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#80051 - 11/29/08 02:46 AM Re: 997 Video Processing
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ndksurfer wrote:

[QUOTE] I thought that the DHC 9.9 was assignable by input & that this was an issue with the DTC 9.8? I could be wrong, but that is what I understood. [QUOTE]

...and I ask him and others: Is it true that it is NOT assignable in the Integra 9.8?

Does anyone know whether it will be assignable in the 997? It think PeterT and Scott know. Wanna tell us?
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#80052 - 11/29/08 02:52 AM Re: 997 Video Processing
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It is true that it is not assignable on the 9.8, Onkyo 885, or Onkyo 905 receiver.
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#80053 - 11/29/08 03:01 AM Re: 997 Video Processing
nfaguys Offline
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gonk,
Thanks for clearing that up.
Here's hoping.

Still (off topic) I would like to read a good shootout between Audyssey and Trinnov.
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Living Room:
5.1 Surround and 4channel inline room
990/7700/6-KEF-107s/LFM1 x 2/ SMS Awaiting Trinnov
Millenium dts decoder;Digital Director
Players: Tascam CD01U/SonyCX455 x 3/DV955/BDP83
Old Sony 60" SXRD TV
Zone 2 (also liv-Room: listening to music while Mrs watches TV): Crown SL2 preamp/D40 Amp/Stax Headphones



My "Man-cave":
4 channel-only inline room. No TV (thank heaven)!!!
990/755/4-KEF 107s
Tascam CD01U/dts decoder/digital director
Alesis 16x4x2 mixer
Recorders Alesis HD24/ML9600/Crown CX844s/SonyDAT/Tascam DA38
Ham Radio Shack (KB1STH) ICOM/Yaesu/Drakes x 3

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#80054 - 11/29/08 04:10 AM Re: 997 Video Processing
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I think we'll see at least one (probably more than one) once some Trinnov gear lands. It will definitely be interesting.
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#80055 - 11/29/08 09:03 AM Re: 997 Video Processing
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According to the manual for the DHC-9.9, the control for upconversion remains unchanged.

However, it should be noted that HDMI sources should NOT be upconverted in any case based on what the manual says (only S-video, composite and component sources are upconvered).

http://63.148.251.135/redirect_service.cfm?type=own_manuals&file=SN_29344765A_DHC-9.9_En_web.pdf

This is what the manual states for the DTC-9.8 as well.

http://63.148.251.135/redirect_service.cfm?type=own_manuals&file=DTC-9.8_En_A.pdf

Of course, this doesn't mean this is how it works in real life.

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#80056 - 11/29/08 03:36 PM Re: 997 Video Processing
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Quote:
Originally posted by BloggingITGuy:
[QB] According to the manual for the DHC-9.9, the control for upconversion remains unchanged.

However, it should be noted that HDMI sources should NOT be upconverted in any case based on what the manual says (only S-video, composite and component sources are upconvered).
But a video processor like the Reon does more than merely deinterlace and scale. One of the concerns that I saw from 9.8, 885, and 905 owners (and that I found pretty reasonable) was that it was not possible to make use of the other Reon features (noise reduction, for example, or picture adjustments) with sources that needed them (cable boxes with really bad scaling and deinterlacing, VCR's, cheap DVD players, etc) without also applying those features to all inputs. That's where a video processing bypass option for each input would be valuable.
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#80057 - 11/29/08 05:54 PM Re: 997 Video Processing
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The manual finished downloading, and I think there has been a change in the 9.9 that would fix this issue. It's not a bypass control - instead, they added an adjustment called "Picture Adjust" for each video input that provides separate controls for the Reon (including a bypass setting).
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#80058 - 11/29/08 06:34 PM Re: 997 Video Processing
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Nice...well, hopefully, the 997 offers more granular control. More flexibility is always a good thing.

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