Calling all 950/755/Definitive Technology owners...

As a new 950 owner I'm starting to wonder what a 755 will do for my current system in terms of sound improvements. Current set up includes:

950 Pre/Pro
Pioneer ELITE VSX-21 (85x5 for power only)
Panasonic RP91
Fronts = Def Tech BP2006TL's
Center = Def Tech CLR2300
Rears = Def Tech BPX's (just ordered them)

Can I expect huge differences if I mate my 950 with a 755 v.s. the current power my Pioneer receiver is providing?

Any and all comments on this subject are very much appreciated....

I have a pair of old Def Techs.....
Wow...! Set the wayback machine.......
I have a pair of the original BP 2000s up front, with a C/L/R 2000 center channel.....
Just keep getting better and better every year........
Just recently got the 950/755 combo, and I am really, really happy with the combo, and love the amp. Our speakers CRAVE power, so, without a doubt you will notice HUGE improvements with the Outlaw amp....they will love the 200 watts per channel....
You gotta go separates all the way now......especially with the quality/price you get from Outlaw.
I say...HUGE SONIC DIFFERENCES!!!!
Gotta go for it...no questions asked......
You will be extemely happy you did...and your speakers will thank you in wonderful ways.......

daddy-guy...Just what I was hoping to hear from a fellow Def Tech owner. 755 seems like a no-brainer for me now. It will painful over the next few months to have to settle with 85x5 with my Pioneer receiver providing the power but no chioce...

I was even thinking long term I could throw a second pair of BPX's on my rear wall and pick up 2 Model 200's to power the 2006's up front and use the 755 for everything else. Would be a 7.1 dream system for me.

Next big decision is deciding between an SVS Sub or the 755 when I have the $$$$.

One more thing while we are at it, and talking about Def Techs.....do you use the speakers wired direct, or use the subwoofer "full range low level input" by splitting FL/FR output with a "Y", using a subwoofer cable going to the speakers subwoofer inputs and the other cable going to power amp for FL/FR........or,..... do you use the Sub. output split with a "Y" going to both subwoofer inputs???? (Stereo or mono subwoofers???)
Am I making sense??? Just love to find out what other Def Tech users do with all the wiring options available.........

After talking with Def Tech (about too much power for the surrounds) and others in these forums I am running the 950/755 with so much pleasure. I use 3 2300CLR's across the front due to built-in cabinet situation and BPx surrounds. These speakers thank me everyday for the extra power. I am wondering from anyone if you think I will hear/feel a great difference with a separate sub since I now only use the subs in the 2300's all set to "large"?

I think you have an interesting set up........3 smallish (8 inch?) subwoofers up front....Wow!!!!
Must sound pretty good already.......
but,
Sounds like you need an LFM-1, or a little bigger subwoofer to really "move some air"...so to speak...... I wouldn't be afraid to look into a bigger sub....I am looking at the LFM-1 ( as a third subwoofer...probably rear subwoofer..) ...
I like what I see so far from the newsletter........and a reasonable price too ..(of course)
Gotta read the manual later today.....
More power is certainly good....
More speaker is good too........

I have my BP2006Tl's & CLR2300 all hooked up directly with a straight feed from my amp (which is currently a Pioneer ELITE receiver). I am not utlizing the LFE inputs at all. I have my 2006's set to LARGE and the CLR 2300 set to SMALL crossed @ 60HZ. BPX's will arrive soon and I will set them to SMALL and look to cross them @ 60Hz.

arica9...I think you will notice some significant differences if you hook up a seperate sub. I totally agree with daddy_guy.

I used to have a Velodyne SPL-1000 in my set up....recently sold it. I am missing the LFE punch that a seperate sub can provide. If you do go for a sub...then I would consider setting all your CLR2300's to SMALL and cross them all over @ 60Hz on your 950. I'm looking at SVS subs since I am also in the market for one too. Our HT room is big enough where we may need 2 subs.

I assume your BPX's are set to SMALL and that you are crossing them over @ 60Hz or maybe 80Hz? Let me know since I'll have mine soon enough.

I really knew the answer all along....more speakers are almost always good and though I'm very happy with the fullness of the sound the 3 2300's provide I would like more depth and more "air" from the lower end. So a subs on the not too distant horizon. And "low" and behold todays newsletter (finally) with something to sink our teeth into about the LFM-1. As I expect a lot for the price. I'm comparing it to the def tech supercubes. Any thoughts?

Oh yeah the surrounds are crossed at 60 and sound great. But experimentation in the room always gets the best result.

Funny, I have never tried my Def Techs wired direct. When I bought them way back, the Salesman said I should use the Subwoofer input, with a "Y" connector (probably just to get a sale on Subwoofer cables.....)!
Anyway, I have chatted with Mr. Pelkowski at Def Tech many times over the years about my speakers, and he has always recommended to set them up using the Subwoofer input. The one thing I have wanted to do is bi-amp the mids and highs, which is what Mr Pelkowski recommends....if you have enough power...like I said, these puppys LOVE power.....(actually he has always recommended I Bi-wire these speakers, using the Sub. input....)
Haven't tried that.....Bi-wiring always sounded funny to me, but I am still gonna try it someday.......
you should try the Sub. input..........works great for my old guys.......Analysis Plus makes a good subwoofer cable, but I see Outlaw now has one too.....and I bet it is gonna be worth every penny...

I've never even experimented with my Def Techs in terms of alternative wiring. Now I'm thinking I need to...just so I can say I did.

As far as Def Tech Supercubes go...they are all more expensive than the LFN-1...with the Reference Series up near $1500.00. While deciding between BPX's and BPXV's I got to hear the Reference Cube and it is frightening...they say it can get down to 13Hz (yikes). It may be on my list to compare to an SVS CS-Ultra sub but since both are over $1,000.00 it may not happen so soon.

MY BP30's loved the Outlaw 200's...

And as far as the SuperCube Reference..it'll knock your house down. I had the little Supercube II with it's tiny 8" woofers, and it killed my defTech PF15TL+, no joke. I was so impressed with the Supercube II, i took it back and got the Supercube I. WOW! This thing is 14" in all directions(tiny) and is so clean and tight sounding...

and the bass extension...unbelievable. I have a friend that wants my Supercube I because I expressed interest in the Reference. I heard it and my jaw is still on the floor. And its list price is $1,700 or $1,800 I believe. If you can find it for $1,500, you're getting a good deal.

DefTech severely underrates their speakers power handling. I have a friend who attended a show where they had 2 Mcintosh monoblocks, each pumping out 1,200 watts to the new 7001's..and they simply loafed along. The more power the better.. the manual says 20 to 600 watts. Well, the 600 was doubled and could have taken more indeed.

my friend just got a pair of BP8b's...

We found reviews where the testers put either 1,100 or 1,200 watts to them and they still werent being pushed...and on paper, they are rated to 200 watts, LOL.

These companies need to realize that receivers are less popular, and people are now getting into seperates a lot more. And a lot of that is thanks to Outlaw!

I need to buy me an Outlaw sub cable! Happy Listening!

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Spoonman...thanks for chiming in here. I just ordered a pair of BPX's and had the pleasure of hearing the Reference Series Super Cube at my local dealer for a few minutes. Wanted to hear more but I was kinda in a rush. They say it handles sub 25Hz material very well. Do you have it yet? Is it really that ridiculous? I just sold my Velodyne SPL-1000 which I liked but didn't love.

I'm trying to figure out what to do next...purchase a 755 or a sub ? Either way it's about the same $$$$...well the Reference series may costs me a little more.

I'm wondering if going with a Def Tech sub will help blend bass better seeing as I have 2006's, CLR2300, and now BPX's v.s a different sub (SVS, or LFM-1, etc.) ?

The Reference will blend with any speaker, from any company, superbly, in my opinion.

25hz? The little supercube II shook my house at 20..25hz was unbelievably loud and clean. My current supercube 1 picks up 20hz with ease...the Reference will blow these 2 away, simply put.

I think the driver array helps with all this. I have it on the back wall...with the powered woofer facing the back of the couch, and the pressure driven woofers facing the side walls. In my room, the amount of clean, room massaging bass I get is jaw dropping. I was lucky and found the best spot in my room on the first try. I moved it around to test, and the center of the back wall indeed was the best spot.

Here's an idea...take home the little supercube II, for the heck of it, and test it. Take it back a few weeks later and exchange it for the big daddy. You might even keep the little guy, I was half tempted to as well, lol. Have fun!

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Not a bad idea. Oh what fun that would be. Buy the II.. hook up, play, return...exchange for the I hook up, play, return, and go for the Reference. Wife will think I'm insane but hey..you only live once!

Interesting location for your sweet spot in your room. Sounds like a corner is not always best suited for a sub. I just may have to wait longer in order to afford the Reference if your are saying it will kill both the I & II. Anything thoughts on how the Reference may compare to an SVS CS-Ultra ?
D.

Anyone else got BPX's hooked up ? I don't have mine in hand yet...but based on everything I heard/read....set them to SMALL and cross them a 60Hz seems to be the best setup for these?

I had BPX's for 3 years, they served me well. 60Hz is fine, you could even go with 40 if ya wanted but 60 is good.

And as far as corners, one room I used to have my gear in...the corner was the sweet spot...but the new room, it hates the corners. Its either too audible or too boomy.

MyPF15TL+ liked it on the back wall as well...with the woofer facing the side wall, not pointing at the couch. This made the sub sound very tight and the SPL readings were great.

I don't know how other subs compare to the Reference..I found the models I adore, and I'm sticking with them. Def Tech subs are overlooked in my opinion. They are great

Please, if you get the SuperCube 2 home, get in here and tell me what you think. Thats if your jaw comes up off the floor. The thing weighs 40 lbs, its so tiny, yet it'll rock your room with no signs of strain whatsoever.



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I had an interesting question for DefTech after seeing consistent offerings for new SupercubeI's on Ebay at 800.00. Reply from Chet Pelkowski said they are completely ok with ebay selling their speakers whether used or offered as new in box, factory sealed or whatever. He said the only potential drawback is there is no factory warranty offered with these new speakers. If willing to live with that, then go for it.
It kind of surprised me but what the heck a 400 savings (or more considering sales tax on 1200.00) is not to be sneezed at.
I also e-mailed an ebay purchaser of two of these Cubes and he said they were as promised and he was completely satisfied.
How important do you guys think the factory warranty is on DefTech speakers/subs?

I've seen some of these too on E-bay in the $800.00 price range. SpoonMan may know off the top of his head what the warranty is on Def tech Super Cubes since his got a I and looking to go for a Reference soon.

It's always nice having the piece of mind of the factory warranty but then again its likely only good for less than 5 years and from what I can see the build quality on these things is excellent.

I'm also looking at the SVS CS-Ultra Subs as a possible choice too ($1299). The guys @ SVS are so good about answering questions specific to your HT setup and room. I've narrowed doen to either a SuperCube or an SVS CS-Ultra.

Well, I've seen Supercube 1's on Audiogon go for $800.00 as well, and if its from a seller with a good rating, then theres no huge reason to be too skeptical.

As far as the warranties..

Five years - Loudspeaker drivers, crossovers and cabinets

Three years - Amplifier electronics

For peace of mind, I always like to have the warranty...but if the seller has a good reputation, it's unlikely that something will go wrong with these subs.

And D.Rowe...if you ever need help, or questions answered, Chet @ DefTech is one of the coolest guys I've come across. He makes going with DefTech, an even easier choice for me.

His email addy is..

cpelkowski@definitivetech.com

Feel free to drop him a line at anytime.

I feel guilty about talking about other companies subwoofers in here, seeing as Outlaw is coming out with one themselves. Maybe we shouldn't do this in here.


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[This message has been edited by SpOoNmAn (edited November 20, 2003).]

I would stay with Outlaw for any product after what I own and the experience of others and...the over the top customer service. BUT I simply do not have the room for the new Outlaw sub. Already being a DefTech owner as well and being equally impressed with product and service, their Cubes are perfect in size and reputation. Once again size (aparently) does matter.
It's great to find a connectioin with other Outlaw/DefTech owners.

Also I agree about Chet at Def Tech. Just an all around good company.

Talked with Chet and based on my room dimensions...he's saying a SuperCube1 would be more than enough for me. Still debating Def Tech sub v.s. SVS ?

D. Rowe - I'd be very interested to hear what you decide to do. I'm running the same speaker set-up as you have with an Outlaw 1050 receiver in a very small room. I'd sure like to know what differences you notice in going to either more power or a separate sub (or both!).

If you think of it, please post a follow up. I can't offer much input on wiring or cross-over settings - I just haven't had time to experiment.

Badger...I recently sold a Velodyne SPL-1000 so I appreciate what a seperate sub can do for our speaker set up. Since I currently have power (85x5) with my old Pioneer Receiver I think the first thing for me to do is to get a new sub so that I can take advantage of the LFE signal. I truely miss it. Right now without a sub I have my 950 setting as follows for each Def tech..

2006's set to LARGE (full signal+LFE)
CLR2300 set to SMALL (Crossed @ 40HZ)
BPX's set to SMALL (Crossed @ 60HZ)

When I decide on a sub I will experiment with my 2006's...first seting them to SMALL and cross them over @ 40Hz. Then I'll try them LARGE and decide which scenario sounds better.

Next step is to get the 755 Amp and then I will truely have exactly what I want. I'll go with PCA interconnects from my 950 to the 755 and may change my speaker wire for all my fronts.

After that it's time to start thinking about 7.1 and then maybe 7.2 (7 speakers and 2 subs).

How do you like your DEf Tech's with the 1050?

D.Rowe

Thanks for the reply D. Rowe. Just out of curiousity, can you tell me a bit about your the room you're using your system in?

My room is very small - roughly 12' x 12'. I bought the Def Tech system after originally planning on just adding a subwoofer to my old no-name speaker set-up. The 2 8" subwoofers in the 2006's were a huge improvement over what I had, but have still wondered about the benefits of yet another, separate subwoofer. I'm sure there's room for improvement on the bottom end, but the 2006's can already bounce me out of the room.

The Def Techs seem to get along well with the 1050. Powerwise, I have plenty of room left with the 1050. It seldom sees the volume indicator over 40. I'm happy with this set-up, which is a good thing, since I expect to have it for quite some time.

Our HT Room is in our finished basement. The room is 22 X 13 with the only opening being the stairwell. I recently sold a Velodyne SPL-1000 and can say that without the LFE dedicated channel...I am totally missing out. The 2006's go low, no doubt, but the 8" subs will start to struggle with material under 40Hz...and even moreso under 30Hz. I love the 950 and wish I had the dough to go for the 755. (patience). My intention is to purchase a sub and then set the 2006's to SMALL crossing them with my 950 @ 40Hz. Will experiment with them set to LARGE too. Same goes for my CLR2300. BPX's are crossed @60Hz and this seems to be right on. The DEf Tech's will be very efficient with this material and the sub can deal with the rest. This means the sub I choose should really only be dealing with material under 60Hz that my Def tech's will not get and the LFE channel signal. I cannot wait to get set up with a sub again. Finally the 755 will be the icing on the cake.