#74217 - 10/08/09 07:07 PM
Stereo Pre Amps for M-2200
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Deputy Gunslinger
Registered: 08/02/08
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Loc: Maryland Suburb, Wash,.D.C.
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Last year I replaced a malfunctioning 17 year old 250 wpc GFA 585 stereo amp with the 2200's My system never sounded better.Now my Adcom GFP 565 pre amp is 17 years old and I am considering a replacement with an under $1k pre amp. Something like NAD, Adcom 715, Vincent, or Parasound.Any ideas? Any ideas as to whether age and use necessarily have degraded the sound of the old pre amp. It still sounds pretty good , but you can get used to degraded sound without realzing it. TRW
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#74218 - 10/08/09 09:02 PM
Re: Stereo Pre Amps for M-2200
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Desperado
Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 2676
Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
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Take a look at the new 997 as a pre-pro. The 990 would also be a great choice. They are both full featured and have many bells and whistles. If you are a vinyl fan, the 990 has a phono stage also.
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TV System Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv
Home Theater System Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv Harmony ONE Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects APC H15 Power Conditioner
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#74220 - 10/09/09 12:36 AM
Re: Stereo Pre Amps for M-2200
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Desperado
Registered: 09/04/05
Posts: 358
Loc: Sanford NC
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Based on my own listening, I don't think the age of a preamp degrades the sound at all. I've got a Sherwood s-7100A that'sprobably older than most of the forum members that still sound as good to me as it ever did and I don't think I've just gotten used to it as it's not in my primary system. Vintage gear has a lot of fans.
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Family room: OPPO 970 Sony 32" direct view HDTV Denon 3801 Rolk RMs
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#74221 - 10/10/09 04:32 AM
Re: Stereo Pre Amps for M-2200
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Desperado
Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 2676
Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
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The beauty of the 990 is that it can go analog or digital for audio and if you want to go HT later you can with no issues. I have a 35 years old Yamaha integrated amp which still rocks in 2 channel. It is built like a tank and sounds fantastic. A few years ago I had a guy go through it and clean all the switches and its like brand new.
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Music system Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD APC H15 Power Conditioner
TV System Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv
Home Theater System Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv Harmony ONE Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects APC H15 Power Conditioner
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#74222 - 10/11/09 11:57 PM
Re: Stereo Pre Amps for M-2200
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Desperado
Registered: 09/04/05
Posts: 358
Loc: Sanford NC
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I think the upshot of all of this is that a lot of features have been added, but for a 2.0 system, a 30 or 40 year old preamp is about as good as anything currently offered. That's really kind of sad when you think about it.
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Family room: OPPO 970 Sony 32" direct view HDTV Denon 3801 Rolk RMs
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#74224 - 11/29/09 08:09 PM
Re: Stereo Pre Amps for M-2200
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Gunslinger
Registered: 10/07/09
Posts: 236
Loc: Denver, CO
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i seem to remember so one requesting an Outlaw 2 channel preamp. this proves there is a market. and if one was on the market it might just stir even more interest.
long live STEREO!
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#74225 - 11/30/09 12:17 AM
Re: Stereo Pre Amps for M-2200
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Desperado
Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 2676
Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
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As far as straight 2 channel stereo goes, the old amps are still state of the art. What was high quality 35 years ago still is high quality. I have used my iPod with my Yamaha CA-800 and it sounds great through 4 large Advents with no sub involved. Although a lot of fans love 2 ch stereo, they don;t necessarily want to spend big $$$ for equipment which is very narrowly focused.
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Music system Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD APC H15 Power Conditioner
TV System Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv
Home Theater System Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv Harmony ONE Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects APC H15 Power Conditioner
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#74226 - 11/30/09 03:55 PM
Re: Stereo Pre Amps for M-2200
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Gunslinger
Registered: 10/07/09
Posts: 236
Loc: Denver, CO
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well im more thinking the entire frontend in stereo, including a quality DAC which is an evolving beast and not something older pre's have, and more sub crossover control also, w/ a phono stage to complete a good 2 channel pre. seems silly to a 2 channel person to pay for all the SS processing when your not using it. that money could go toward all of the above mentioned. i did it because i had the chance to listen to someone elses 970 and got a taste for its sound in 2 channel fashion, and i realize aside from all the crap i didnt need it did the trick, & it fit my current budget so i jumped.
im a bit annoyed that my 970 keep switching to PL II when i never use it...
and their certainly is a market for it. at the Outlaw price point they would make a serious dent too.
HT might be the curret fad but lots of audiophile with mortal budgets loom quietly.
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