That's my dilema right now too Chas. I guess the only way is to order the outlaw and try it out myself too. That was my point as I have yet to try out other receivers. I'm also trying to save some money and that's why I'm looking at lower priced receiver because my wife is also not happy if I were to spend around $1000 for a receiver since we have just upgraded our speakers and dvd player. To spend another $1000 would be spending a total of over $2000 in upgrades for the surround sound system.