I just got and wired up my 1070. Now I have an electrician coming over and it is going to be easy for him to run speaker wires into my bedroom and bathroom. So here is what I would like to do:

5.1 sound in my living room. Already done and wired.

I would like to play stereo sound through 2 speakers in my bedroom. When I do this, I would usually want to turn off the 5.1 in the living room.

I would also like the exact same stereo sound coming out of 2 speakers in my bathroom when the sound is playing in the bedroom.

So the bottom line is: 5.1 in living room, stereo out of FOUR speakers (2 pair) in the bedroom + bathroom, and optionally turn off either the 5.1 or the two pair.

Can this be done with the 1070?

Should I instead get the Denon AVR-2807 which already has Zones??

Thank you very much!!

The 1070 lacks a second zone, so while you can set something up (and we can probably come up with a few different scenarios if you're interested) it is going to include a compromise or two.

Here's just one possible idea to start the ball rolling... I assume that you aren't presently planning to use a separate amp for the two sets of remote speakers, right? I ask because you could use something simple like a Sonic Impact T-Amp ($30 plus an AC adapter) to drive those speakers - at which point you could use the pre-amp output or the tape record output of the 1070 to drive those bedroom/bathroom speakers. If the speakers are 8-ohm loads, you could wire them in parallel and the amp would see a 4-ohm load. I'd be curious to know if any 1070 or 970 owners know if the tape record outputs remain active when the unit is muted, because if they do then this scheme could work fairly gracefully simply by muting the 1070 when you want to use the bedroom/bathroom speakers and turning the T-Amp off when you don't want those remote speakers on. Can anybody comment on that?

Whether to get a 2807 or stay with the 1070 is going to be a personal choice of sorts - probably a decision on whether the sound quality (which reports seem to indicate is better with the 1070) is worth the tricks you'll need to use to drive those bedroom/bathroom speakers.

Thanks for the quick response, Gonk!!

Have you ever heard the T-Amp? It really is hard to believe you can get "Audiophile Quality Sound" for $30! Why pay $1600 for a Model 7500 when you could get 5 of these for $150?

Is there a way for me to easily test the Mute thing you were talking about? I would be interested to know as well.

Have you ever done an A/B test with a 1070 vs a Denon 2807? How about a Denon 4806?? Can you really hear the difference in sound quality between all of these? I had listened to a Linn system ($13,000) and it really sounded great! But I assumed I would be compromising on sound for my under $3,000 system, and my thinking was the difference in sound quality at this level wouldn't be all that great, at least in comparison to something like the Linn.

BTW, I have a pair of brand new Aperion 633-T Towers and an Aperion 634-VAC Center Channel. Currently I have *NO* soundstage at all, which is not cool. My room is incredibly challenging -- I hope that is the only problem. Not entirely sure what to do.

Thanks again!

If I understand correctly the desired result, and, if record out doesn't do it you could always run RCA-Y adaptors from the preamp outs L+R or from any analog input you choose. Should you wish to not be limited to just one input "Y-d" you could put Ys on any analog input you wish and send them to a switcher. Here is a great analog, composite and S-video switcher and it converts comp to S-vid. I have used one in one of my systems for years. Great for copy, dsitribution and monitoring:
Example of a great matrix switcher...analog, comp, s-vid

The T-Amp would not compare equally to the 7500 (or even the 7075, or the 1070's amp section), but for driving second zone speakers it is an impressive value. I actually had one but never had a chance to set it up, so last year I sold it to another forum member for use with his patio speakers (second zone of a Model 990).
If you have any PC speakers lying around, try hooking them to the tape output, turn on an analog source (the tuner would work nicely), and hit "mute" - if the PC speakers still work, we're golden.
I haven't heard any of these, actually. Folks that have used both the 1070 and comparably priced Denons have reported that the 1070 sounds better. You should hear a difference between a Denon 2807 and a Denon 4608 (which, at around four times the price of either the 2807 or the Outlaw 1070 certainly better offer some sonic advantage), although other components in the signal path - speakers, for example - will also contribute.

I'm a firm believer in "TANSTAAFL" - There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. You can't pay $1,000 and get something that sounds the same and offers the same features as a $10,000 competitor. On the other hand, you can optimize the performance of your budget if you play your cards right. For example, Outlaw focuses significant effort on sound quality and reduces the overhead associated with a dealer network - as a result, you would probably need to move up quite a ways in the Denon line-up to match the sound quality. Because of Denon's business model (large corporation, deeper R&D pockets, shorter product life cycle, and a few other factors), they can offer a longer laundry list of features, but Outlaw has to offer something significant to stay competitive. That means they pick the features they feel they can offer the most value (bass management being an example that has been a priority in all of Outlaw's receivers and processors) and combine them with the best sound quality they can cram in there.
Probably some of the biggest things to consider here are your room - including speaker placement and toe-in.

Thanks again gonk. I am now considering the Denon 4306. It has *three* zones, got ridiculously good reviews on CNET.com, and can be had for under $1500 factory recertified.

Have you ever seen a comparison of the 1070 vs the 4306, sound-quality-wise??

Thanks again!!

There is at least one thread at AVS (which I mentioned here ) that compares the 1070 to a Denon 4306 and a Pioneer 74Tx (and eventually a Marantz receiver as well). The thread at AVS has been archived to here . In the end, the original poster went with the 1070.