Good replys, that might have been the deal breaker that makes me go for seperates. Exactly the info I was looking for. Thanks

Thanks for the insight Jed. I Think that erickm12 and I are going though the same decision on the best way to upgrade our systems. I guess that after having eight to ten receivers in the last three to four years I would have realized sooner that the upgrade in performance that is realized through going with seperates is the next logical step for me. Erikm12 what do you think of your rf 7's. I have been looking at maybe going with those to start a whole Klipsch set of speakers.

The Klipsch KLF20's I have have a sensitivity of 100dB per watt (at 1 meter). I normally listen to music at the volume which I set to default, which is -30 dB. This is with the system calibrated using Avia to be at reference levels, so if I'm not mistaken thats 75dB. However, I have turned the volume all the way up to reference level on occasion and haven't had a problem. (I actually haven't ever tried to turn the volume past 0dB, but I don't think it would be a problem.) My level calibrations for the front two speakers are -2 and -3 dB.

The only time I have trouble is when watching TV, but I don't have a cable box, and just use the RF input into the TV, and the TV's output was weak on my old receiver as well. (Normal TV listening needs to go to about -15dB to be comfortably audible.)

Does anyone know what the 1070's volume scale goes up to anyway? I'd assume +10, but I've never really had the need to check.

1070's volume goes to +10.

Heretical as it may seem to a lot of people today, any of the HT stuff made by Outlaw, or for that matter alomst everybody else on the market, is grossly overpowered for horn speakers. If a Klipsch or any other speaker (try a Lowther) has a sensitivity rating of 100 dB, that means that with ONE WATT input, in nearfield conditions (i.e., ignoring room effects), the sound level at one meter from the front of the speaker will be 100 dB, which is about the level of sound made by a symphony orchestra playing a fortissimo passage, measured at the conductor's position. That level of sound, sustained for two hours, will result in hearing damage according to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration. I've taken my RS sound level meter to live concerts and believe me, 90 dB is about the loudest sustained sound level one hears where I can afford to sit. (In Beethoven anyway; Mahler sometimes gets louder.) Your Klipsch speakers need 100 milliwatts for that. And yet people worry about the difference between 65 and 100 watts. Such a difference, expressed in sound levels, is flat-down inaudible.

i agree that the difference between 65 and 100 watts would be inaudible.but,if listening at mid volume and the dynamics pushed it would become audible as clipping.
unless listening at extreme levels,with klipsch,all should be fine.

a few nights ago i had a few too many and as always i had to get behind the stereo.i hooked up directly to the 1050.i think it was 4 days later i was ripping on my speakers(i designed and built(very inefficient)) i noticed a slight balance mismatch.not being one to adjust the balance if not necessay,i once again got behind the stereo to adjust the b&k trim controls only to realize it was not running.i had been running the 1050,and actually pushing it(hard) for probably 4 hours at this point.the 1050 is 65w my b&k is 60w.
the point of this rambling:i had forgot i had hooked up the 1050 to my speakers.if i would not have got behind the system,it would still be running.yes,i noticed a big difference in the warmth,depth and dynamics when i hooked up the b&k amp(twice the price 6x60),but my 1050 is a strong runner,i would only assume the 1070 would follow.

There is no doubt that the 1050 was an awsome receiver at an great price. I was able to directly compare it to an hk525,pioneer 1014,sony 2000es,Nad752,and a Denon 3805 and it had the strongest most dynamic sound of the bunch. It obviously was dated as far as some of its processing and inputs that is why I felt the need to find a new receiver. The problem for me now with the 1070 is at $899 it almost becomes to close to the outlaws 7125 ($999) or 5 2200($1222) not to pull the trigger on the seperates route. I still have my Nad 752 to handle the processing and when that is not sufficient as far as newer processing modes and inputs is concerned then I am thinking that a year old model of a Yahmaha or Hk can be had pretty cheap as an upgrade as far as processing and inputs goes. I guess that I could be wrong but by already having something that can do the processing my $899 dollars would be better spent towards the seperate amps. Please share any input or comments.

go with separates.

rdperry:

If you are happy with the processing that you have, but want/need more power go with the external amp (or amps). Then in a about 5 years when the whole Blu-Ray/HD DVD thing is sorted out you are ready for a separate processor!


I see you are in Dayton. I spent a great 4 years at UD (Class of 93). Is the Paragon Club still open? (It was a great steak house out by the mall in the mid early 90s)

Regards,
Charlie

PS- there is a place in Springfield, OH called Parts Express. They sell Speaker Kits and the like. You ever hear of them?

PE is MY supplier!i've bought dayton and audax(and misc.) from there.they kick ass! if u r a DIY.