I thought 105 db was reference level, and we therefore calibrated 75db output at -30? Or some test discs have us calibrate 85 db at -20, which should be a similar thing.

I sold my house and my new one's not finished yet, but .... I thought I remembered it that way.

My understanding is that we calibrate to 75dB at 0dB volume with a test tone - the result is reference level audio from a DVD (which I believe is up to 105dB at 0dB volume).

I understand the concerns of those who see the 65 WPC and associated sound levels being low. I enjoy listening to music and movies at levels most people think are hurtful. I have a 1070 mated with a Def Tech speaker set that has an average 92dB efficiency rating. The sound levels are very loud and become hurtful to most other people. This occurs around the 0dB level. Loud reference levels occur for me at around +10 which is where I prefer to listen. I have a family that will rebel at these levels, so unfortunately it's not often this happens.

I have high confidence in Outlaw products. There are mainly two reasons that substantiate this. I own a pair of M200s driving a separate stereo system and it can become too loud even for me while maintaing very clear response. I tried out four (Adcom, Sony, T&A, and Arcam)different amps on this system, before coming across Outlaw a couple of years ago. None of them matched the 200s' performance watt of watt and dollar for dollar. A hugh value for this type of equipment. Secondly, I have yet to see a minority of Outlaw customers who were not satisfied with their products.

If your concerned, my suggestion would be to try the 1070 out. If your not satisfied or even thrilled, return it for a full refund or stick it out and upgrade to more power later on.

Maybe the internal test tone was at -30? It's been a while, but the math and my memory suggests SOMETHING is at -30 .... maybe one test disc was at -20 and the other is at -30?

I have been reading some of the other post and I am wondering if some of the folks that are having problems reaching 75db with their internal test tones are unsatisfied with their overall volume levels with dvd's music etc. or are they just having a problem with the level of their test tones. As for Charlies post it seems to me (and I could be wrong) that if a receiver could be calibrated to 75db at -30 it would be one powerful receiver. I as stated earlier just bought a Denon 3805 that is very nice but i loved my old 1050 so much that I now wish that maybe I would have given the 1070 a chance. If some folks that already have the 1070 could give some input on its overall playback levels it would help me with my tough decision on rather of not to return the 3805 and give up a 20% restocking fee to give the 1070 a try. Thanks abunch

All of the test tones I've used generate pretty loud "white noise" when played individually, but I don't see any reason that they have to be directly reproducing "reference level" playback for a proper calibration process. Any test tone should include some instructions in recommended use - I have seen folks post that at least one calibration disc (possibly AVIA?) recommends calibrating to 85dB with their test tones, whereas the internal test tones in many receivers and processors (including the Outlaw gear I've used) are intended for use calibrating to 75dB. That way the designer can establish a tone that is "x" dB lower than reference level. It would certainly be much easier on the ears for the lengthy sustained full-spectrum tones to be scaled back from reference level (can you imagine trying to think coherently while listening to a 105dB test tone for the eight or more times required to work all the way through a 7.1 surround setup?), whereas DVD's or other source material tend to have shorter-duration moments that spike to reference level over a limited frequency range.

Well I took the 20% restocking fee hit and I am going to return the 3805 as soon as I get an RA number. Now I am pondering if I should give the 1070 a shot first or If I should just bite the bullet and buy the 7125 and use it with my Nad 752 as pre/pro. If some of you more experienced outlaws could give me some advice it would sure be appreciated. I live in a townhome with a 21x17 living room so I dont know if the 7125 would be a little too much. If the 1070 has the same kind of dynamics as the 1050 then that would suit my needs. If some of you could share your comparisions of the 1070 vs the 1050 that would help to. Much thanks.

Hey rdperry,

Ouch...too bad about that 20% fee. I really don't think the NAD 752 would have a better pre/pro section than the Outlaw 1070. I also doubt it would be less dynamic than the 1050. Of course, I'd like to see someone compare the 752 and 1070 as well So, I'd vote for giving the 1070 a shot.

John, I am pretty sure that the 1070 will sound better than the nad 752,I was just going to use the 752 as my preamp until I could buy a better one. I think that for my needs which are mostly dvd's and games, what I would enjoy more is a little more dynamics and the extra headroom that a seperate amp will provide. I would love to just buy the 990 and the 7125 but a new X-box 360 and new speakers ( I really need a better center channel)are in my buying future,besides I am a little unsure of the sheer size of the 990. I have pretty much talked myself into the 7125 route. Or maybe some 2200 ??????

I can't comment on the receiver issues, but I'd give long odds that the 7125 would not be too much for your room. I have a substantially smaller room for the 7100 and it fills the room very nicely. Since you've got something you're comfortable with using as a processor, why not take the next step and get a great amplifier?