#69714 - 07/25/09 07:21 PM
Oppo BDP-83 & bitstream audio loss on 990
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Gunslinger
Registered: 10/24/07
Posts: 43
Loc: Iowa
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Is anyone with a 990 using an oppo bdp-83?
I have a problem that I have not read anyone else mention on the early adopters forum for oppo 83 - avsforum.com When I am running bitstream out of the oppo via the coaxial or optical outs to the respective ins on the 990 and playing a cd, the audio drops out when I change tracks. The only way I can restore audio is to switch to the other input. So if I am listening to cd via optical, I have to change to coaxial, and vice-versa. This does not happen if lpcm is selected on the oppo, nor on the analog outs, so it's a bitstream issue. Also, I have had no problems with bitstream out with dvd's. Oppo said they were having "issues" with the 990. I have hooked up the 990 to 3 other dvd players and no problems with cd's.
Any ideas much appreciated.
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#69715 - 08/01/09 04:14 AM
Re: Oppo BDP-83 & bitstream audio loss on 990
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Deputy Gunslinger
Registered: 06/08/05
Posts: 6
Loc: Central Valley Calif.
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Same here. I called them a few days ago. They told me the same thing. I have it hooked up optically, and when I hit the "next track" button, no audio, but the track is playing. I hit the "mute" X2, and the audio returns. Personally, I don't think the "issue" is with the 990. I hope they resolve this. It's a very nice player other than this.
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#69716 - 08/01/09 03:06 PM
Re: Oppo BDP-83 & bitstream audio loss on 990
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Gunslinger
Registered: 10/24/07
Posts: 43
Loc: Iowa
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Thanks ceddc
Then it's not only my 990 so I would guess it's an Oppo issue.
Hopefully they have it on their to-do list.
Yeah, I'm very happy with it otherwise too.
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#69717 - 08/01/09 09:06 PM
Re: Oppo BDP-83 & bitstream audio loss on 990
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Deputy Gunslinger
Registered: 06/08/05
Posts: 6
Loc: Central Valley Calif.
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Hey again. I hooked up my old HK 47 dvd player thru the coax digital input this AM. The HK is a garden variety upconverting dvd player, that also plays SACD via analog. I set it to bitstream, and like your experiences, everything worked fine. Looks like the "issue" is OPPO's, in that the HK is competent, but nothing special. If I can think of anything else as a workaround, I'll let you know. Later.
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#69719 - 08/05/09 07:54 AM
Re: Oppo BDP-83 & bitstream audio loss on 990
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Gunslinger
Registered: 05/27/07
Posts: 126
Loc: Austin, Texas
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I agree with Gonk on using the analog outputs as opposed to using optical/digital outs. IMO, the DACs in the BDP-83 do a much better job than the 990. Also, if you are listening to 2-channel material then I recommend the stereo analog outputs on the BDP-83 as those DACs are higher quality then the multi-channel ones. I did quite a bit of A/B testing and even did some blind testing and I always found the analog outputs, especially the stereo ones, to sound much better. Admittedly having a large number (in my case 7; 5.1 and stereo) of analog cables running between the BDP-83 and the 990 can be cumbersome, but I think it is well worth it.
I do not use any of the digital signals for audio from my BDP-83. When I am watching BD-DVD I like to use the latest audio formats, which the 990 can't decode so again I am back to using the analog.
BTW, when you are looking for analog cables you don't need to spend a ton of money on them. I have the Outlaw PCA cables and they do a great job for a relatively inexpensive cable. My only complaint with those cables is they are the kind that has a locking collar that you twist to make a tight connection. This was a great idea, however they are very difficult to use on the 5.1/7.1 connections since the connectors are so close together and the cable ends are somewhat larger than normal. If I had to do it over again I would probably go with another brand that had smaller connectors.
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Emotiva XMC-1, Outlaw 7500, Sonus Faber Olympica III Fronts, SF Liuto Center, SF Surrounds, LFM-1 EX, Oppo BDP-103D, Apple TV (Gen. 4), Mitsubishi 65" Diamond DLP, Outlaw Cables, PS Audio Power Quintet, Duet and power cords.
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#69720 - 08/05/09 06:28 PM
Re: Oppo BDP-83 & bitstream audio loss on 990
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Gunslinger
Registered: 07/24/09
Posts: 50
Loc: Austin, Texas
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Hey fellow Austinite mdrconsult. I finally connected my new BDP-83 last night and am simply amazed. I'm using multi channel analog connects since my old Onkyo 777 has no HDMI. I skipped the optical connects this time around. I sampled BD, SACD, DVD-A, HDCD, CD, DVD, all through this connect and all were super. I also want to take advantage of the superior DACs on the stereo out. Are you just simply switching to CD at your 990? On another thread I inquired about using a combination of multi-channel analog and HDMI for the 997 when I get one. Gonk indicated that the HDMI should sound as good as the analog (and less cable of course). I am all for a cleaner connection, but I will keep the analog connections if they provide better sound.
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Bedroom-Outlaw RR2150, Rotel RCD 1072, Dana Audio model 1
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#69721 - 08/07/09 06:23 AM
Re: Oppo BDP-83 & bitstream audio loss on 990
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Gunslinger
Registered: 05/27/07
Posts: 126
Loc: Austin, Texas
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AusTexRocker,
The simple answer is yes I am connecting the BDP-83 stereo outputs to the 990's analog CD inputs. The more detailed answer involves my using a Logitech Harmony 880 universal remote. I have 3 different activities programed using the BDP-83 as a source. The first as mentioned above is called "Oppo-CD" and it is for 2-channel listening using the analog stereo outputs of the BDP-83 connected to the analog CD inputs. The second, "Oppo-SACD" uses the analog multi-channel outputs of the BDP-83 connected to the 7.1 (in my case 5.1) inputs on the 990. The third case. "Oppo-BD" is similar to the previous except it turns on my Mits. TV and switches to the appropriate HDMI input. Furthermore, since I have an SMS-1 in my system it also sets it correctly for the different listening modes. I have found these 3 setups to be very versatile and covers all the different modes I would use my BDP-83 for.
Your second question is a little more difficult to answer definitively. I generally will defer to Gonk's superior knowledge in all things AV. I think what he was saying is probably going to be true. Probably being the key word since I don't (nor anyone I know) have a 997 yet to make a more informed statement. However, I believe that Gonk's assumption is based on the belief that the 997 is going to have as good or better DACs than what the BDP-83 currently is using. That being said feeding the 997 a digital input via HDMI should produce as good or better sound. However, if it was comparable or even slightly less I would still consider going that route as there are some clear advantages of letting the processor do the DA conversion. For instance, I believe (but I am not certain)that the Trinnov processing will only be applied to digital inputs and since it is intended for multi-channel room equalization that means HDMI as the digital input source as the other methods would not have sufficient bandwidth. In addition, I think there will be a few more processor features that can only be applied to a digital input signal. Please note, I am saying " I believe" and "I think" because a) I don't have one yet and b) even though I have read the r-972 manual (which is really poorly written and basically useless) I don't recall any real technical information contained within it that would clarify these points.
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Emotiva XMC-1, Outlaw 7500, Sonus Faber Olympica III Fronts, SF Liuto Center, SF Surrounds, LFM-1 EX, Oppo BDP-103D, Apple TV (Gen. 4), Mitsubishi 65" Diamond DLP, Outlaw Cables, PS Audio Power Quintet, Duet and power cords.
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#69723 - 08/07/09 04:44 PM
Re: Oppo BDP-83 & bitstream audio loss on 990
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Gunslinger
Registered: 07/24/09
Posts: 50
Loc: Austin, Texas
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Very helpful answers from each of you. I had not considered the Trinnov issue with analog and that is one of the primary reasons I'm holding out for the 997!
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MAIN-OPPO BDP-105 directly to Outlaw 7700, PS Audio P3, Axiom M80V3 (front), Axiom M60ti (rear), Axiom OS8V2, Axiom VP180, PS3, Sony SXRD 55 inch monitor
Bedroom-Outlaw RR2150, Rotel RCD 1072, Dana Audio model 1
Blue Jeans connection on both
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