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#69440 - 03/24/09 01:08 AM Model 990 Impressions from new Outlaw
awgtitan Offline
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Registered: 03/16/09
Posts: 17
Loc: Virginia
I am a new member to the Outlaw community. I just recently purchased a Model 990 and thus far I am happy with my decision to forgo purchasing a processor that could have cost me four to five times more than what I paid for the 990. If I had gone with another company is it possible to be $2 – 3K happier than I am now??? I don’t think so and here’s why.

I have owned the same little Marantz AV550 processor since 1998. It did DD 5.1 really well, analog music was just ok, and it worked flawlessly for 13 years. About 5 months ago I made the decision to start shopping for my next processor. I looked again to Marantz but I also looked at other companies such as NAD, Rotel, Anthem, B&K, among others. I also looked at some HT publications for possible reviews. That’s when I came across the Integra line. After reading the Integra information I was sold and ready to make a purchase. Their unit seemed to have every feature known to mankind and could be had for $1500. Not long after reading and doing research of their products I noticed that Integra updated there flagship processor with another model (now the DHC 9.9). I also quickly gathered from some online forums that dealing with their customer service was a nightmare and that this processor was only average with 2 channel analog material. This information led me to continue looking over other options. I knew about Outlaw and soon discovered Emotiva. I spent many hours reading the Outlaw and Emotiva forums to learn more about their products and it seemed as though the dedicated followers of each company were waiting on the latest and greatest releases. Outlaws 997 caught my attention but seemed to be taking longer than expected for release. The 990 always seemed to be there waiting for the taking.

While the research ordeal continued I purchased Panasonics highly rated DBP-55 blue ray player. All reviews raved about it's picture quality, speed, and upgradability. I also made sure to purchase a Blueray player that had 7.1 outputs just in case I did go with the 990. My decision was narrowed quickly when I thought about features that were important to me in a processor. I also didn’t want to get caught up in all the bells and whistles that I may never use anyway. I wanted good analog for music, bass management, great digital processing for standard DVD, 7.1 inputs for Blueray, multiroom functions, reliability, and a great support group. What I didn’t care about was XM & Serius connections, video processing & switching, network streaming, and room correction software. I don’t care about the video switching because I only use two video sources (Blueray and HD cable) and I run both directly from the source to my LG plasma with two custom-made 50’ component video cables. I also don’t care much about the HDMI world at this point because I think it’s only a matter of time before it will be changed or upgraded again. With this in mind I finally made the plunge and ordered a 990. How could I go wrong with a 30 day return policy and $699? Once I got the monster 990 installed, and calibrated manually, my first impression of two channel sound was really good. My speakers took on a new sound that I could hardly believe. I could hardly wait to get the Blueray going with the 7.1 inputs. All I can say is WOW! The dynamic range left me speechless and with a grin. My 12 year old amps are happy to stretch their legs with this kind of input! What the 990 isn’t….. its not the latest and greatest processor with all the bells and whistles of the new processors out there. What the 990 is……it’s one awesome machine that can do many things well without a lot of fuss for a ridiculously low price. I highly recommend it.
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#69441 - 03/24/09 01:22 AM Re: Model 990 Impressions from new Outlaw
strindl Offline
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Registered: 02/23/09
Posts: 94
Loc: Waukesha, Wisconsin
Your saga sounds simlar to mine. I used a Harman Kardon signature 2.0 ..actually a pair of them..as processors in each of my audio video systems. Like you, I ran no video through them, just a composite for the OSD. The other video sources were connected directly to the monitors.

I did do one thing a tad differently in that I bought two new preamp/processors...an Integra 9.9 for my main home theater system and an Outlaw 990 for my living room system that is used mainly for music. I am very happy with both decisions and here is why.

For my home theater system, the HDMI switching and full audio capability along with the ability to upscale all video content to whatever resolution I prefered , up to 1080p, was important. I have found the audio, both two channel and surround, to be a horse apiece between the 9.9 and the 990. They both sound great..and a big improvement over the HK's they replaced.

In your situation where you had no interest in hdmi hookups, the 990 was the perfect choice. At it's current price point it is the best value out there.

I was listening to my 990 living room system earlier this afternoon and just marveling at how good those magnepans were sounding.
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Integra dhc 9.9
Threshold SA/4e pure class A
Emotiva XPA-1 (2), XPA-5
(2) Threshold S200's
Thiel 3.6 main speakers
(2)Velodyne F1500r subs
Polk RTI28 surrounds
B&W HTM center
OPPO BDP-83 universal player
Samsung HLT6187 led DLP

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#69442 - 03/24/09 02:17 AM Re: Model 990 Impressions from new Outlaw
gonk Offline
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Registered: 03/21/01
Posts: 14054
Loc: Memphis, TN USA
Welcome to the forum, awgtitan! Glad to hear that the 990 is serving you well.
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#69443 - 03/24/09 06:04 PM Re: Model 990 Impressions from new Outlaw
Chessie Offline
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Registered: 03/06/09
Posts: 17
Loc: Washington, DC
New Outlaw here, too. Thanks to some great help and advice from folks here on the forum, I've been able to get my system all set up and dialed in. So far I must say I'm very happy. HT audio, whether from HD cable or Blu Ray disc is even more impressive than I thought it would/could be. I'm still trying to dial in everything I need to get my 2-channel audio listening experience on par.

I'm wondering if maybe some of the CDs I'm listening to are simply not very well recorded. Is it possible my Samsung BD Player used to play audio CDs is just not that great? Do I need to upgrade my XLR connections? I guess what would be really helpful would be to hear a few different setups until I could decide how mine stacks up. Short of that, I guess I'll keep tweaking until I'm either 100% happy with my CD audio, or I've convinced myself that I'm getting the best sound I can get.

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#69444 - 03/24/09 06:14 PM Re: Model 990 Impressions from new Outlaw
IndyScammer Offline
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Registered: 03/17/09
Posts: 15
Loc: Indianapolis
I tend to be alone in this (or at least in the minority) but once I heard good 5.1 surround audio (DVD Audio and pure DVD Music) I lost interest in 2 channel music. It just can't match 5 channel recordings which place 5 full music channels on the disc. laugh

Unfortunately the industry/music establishment just hasn't embraced true 5 channel recording and mixing to date. Therefore I'm stuck with a small play list that really cranks my adrenaline anymore.

Maybe you suffer from this predicament but hopefully you get it "dialed" in to your satisfaction.
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#69445 - 03/24/09 06:29 PM Re: Model 990 Impressions from new Outlaw
gonk Offline
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Registered: 03/21/01
Posts: 14054
Loc: Memphis, TN USA
The digital output from your Samsung should be a reasonable way to play back CD's, as all the player is doing is acting as a transport. Using the analog output from the Samsung may not be as good, however.

Also, a good system can be revealing of bad source material, and you can find some poorly mastered/recorded CD's. For example, a lot of more recent CD releases suffer from excessive loudness. I've also got some discs that were recorded on a tight budget - the first release by 3 Doors Down is a good example of this - where a merely average system sounds fine but a really good system reveals all the blemishes. I remember listening to that disc on my father-in-law's very high-end two-channel rig back in early 2000 (before I upgraded my very average Yamaha/Bose setup to Outlaw and Paradigm) and being amazed at how many bits of background noise and other flaws were suddenly audible for the first time.
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#69446 - 03/25/09 03:07 PM Re: Model 990 Impressions from new Outlaw
Chessie Offline
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Registered: 03/06/09
Posts: 17
Loc: Washington, DC
Yeah - I'm usually using the digital output from the BD player to listen to audio CDs. I'll switch over to the 7.1 input once in a while just to compare what I'm hearing.

I do notice a big difference in the audio quality from one CD to the next. Some of the CDs that sound the best on mediocre home or car systems turn out to sound the worst when I listen via my current setup. The converse is true, as well.

I guess I may try a couple things with my interconnects as well as maybe the speaker cable I'm using in my front speakers to see if I can eek out a bit more sounds. It's not like things are bad. Quite to the contrary, they are very good. I just have this feeling they can be better. Besides, I need some way to spend my time while my boat is being prepped for spring fishing!
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#69447 - 03/25/09 05:07 PM Re: Model 990 Impressions from new Outlaw
Brax Offline
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Registered: 02/27/09
Posts: 8
One of the best sounding CDs I have heard is The Eagles, Hell Freezes Over. What really sounds good in multi channel is the Blue Ray or Heart, live in Seattle.

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#69448 - 03/25/09 05:27 PM Re: Model 990 Impressions from new Outlaw
gonk Offline
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Registered: 03/21/01
Posts: 14054
Loc: Memphis, TN USA
Another great sounding Blu-ray is Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds at Radio City Music Hall. Great video, too.
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#69449 - 03/25/09 05:38 PM Re: Model 990 Impressions from new Outlaw
strindl Offline
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Registered: 02/23/09
Posts: 94
Loc: Waukesha, Wisconsin
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One of the best sounding CDs I have heard is The Eagles, Hell Freezes Over. What really sounds good in multi channel is the Blue Ray or Heart, live in Seattle.
I have to agree with that eagles dvd. With the DTS soundtrack on a really good system, that is some very impressive sound. That entire concert is incredible.

I'm going to have to go pick up a copy of that Heart concert now too...I've never heard that one. I don't have a blu ray player yet...I'm waiting on that new oppo one...but I'm sure it'a availble on regular DVD also. Hopefully with the same quality of sound track.
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Main system:
Integra dhc 9.9
Threshold SA/4e pure class A
Emotiva XPA-1 (2), XPA-5
(2) Threshold S200's
Thiel 3.6 main speakers
(2)Velodyne F1500r subs
Polk RTI28 surrounds
B&W HTM center
OPPO BDP-83 universal player
Samsung HLT6187 led DLP

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