This question may seem rudimentary but I’m a newby to Surround Sound and need clarification on the 1050’s 6.1 capabilities. Can or can’t I take advantage of the 1050’s Center Surround channel on DTS soundtracks? Or do I even want to? My DVD can decode DTS. I'm a little confused with what I've read in the 1050 manual, Outlaws 1050 information sheet, and the FAQ section of their website.

Thanks in advance for your help.

From what I've read in some of the reviews, if you run the decoded DTS through the 5.1 channel inputs on the Outlaw, then activate 6.1 processing, you'll be able to get DTS matrixed 6.1. There's no real way to get the DTS discreet 6.1 with the Outlaw that I know of.

Really? I didn't realize that worked. Of course, I don't have the outs to test it on my DVD player. I didn't think there was anyway to get the 1050 to use the rear center on DTS. I'd be curious to hear if anybody has actually done thisand had it work successfully.

Yes it works.

If you have a DVD player with 5.1 analog outputs and plug them into the 1050's 5.1 analog inputs, then the 1050 can matrix the left & right surround channels to generate the cetner surround channel. It will not recognize the DTS ES (or is the 6th channel indicated by EX?) flag however.


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Very good to know. Next question:
Gladiator is recorded in DTS ES. My Sony DVD player decodes DTS but makes no mention of DTS ES. I wonder if it will send the 5.1 channels of regular DTS or if I'll have to switch and get the matrixed center from Dolby Digital?

I haven't received my surround speakers yet so I haven't had a chance to play around with it yet. I appreciate the input and have found the saloon very helpful and informational.

If you use your players digital connection to the 1050 you'll get standard 5.1 DTS and no way to get the center surround. If you use your players 5.1 analog connection to the 1050, the player will decode to fit those 5.1 connections and then the 1050 will be able to generate (via amtrix)the center surround channel.

HTH,



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Thanks Psklenar! If I get my speakers by Friday, I know what I'll being doing this weekend. Now if only the Packers could beat the Rams......

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Another question. I put in Gladiator last night and noticed that the DDigital and Prologic indicators showed up on the 1050 instead of the DTS. I had set the sound track to DTS ES and am using an optical cable with my Sony DVP-S570D although I do have pcm cables hooked up also in case I wanted to do 6.1 with the DTS ES signal which is already decoded from the Sony. In this case, I just want to do DTS. From what I understand, the 1050 should recognize the signal as regular DTS since it can't decode DTS ES. Am I doing something wrong?

Im not sure if I'm getting a DTS signal or regular DD. Any ideas out there?

The "Pro-Logic" part befuddles me -- that indicates that it's not even using the digital input, because if it were the 1050 wouldn't be trying to use Pro-Logic.

By "PCM" do you mean the two-channel analog output from the DVD player, or the 5.1 analog? And have you double-checked to make sure the 1050 is using the optical digital input for the DVD input?

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Gonk

And have you double checked that the DVD Player is configured to allow DTS? It's a setting you usually have to manually activate in the Setup Menu on many DVD Players.

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True, I had to enable DTS on my Panasonic -- by default it was set up to not pass a DTS signal.

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Gonk

Yea, I did go in and change the setting to DTS. The Sony has two settings, one for Dolby Digital and one for DTS. They were both orginally set to PCM and I changed them to the DD and DTS settings. Maybe it's a one or the other situation? I'll have to play around with the Sony some more tonight.
As far as the "PCM" reference, I ment the 5.1 outputs on the Sony.

Thanks
Richard R

I'm confused... how can the 1050 matrix out a surround channel when using the 5.1 inputs? I thought the 1050 did all its matrix decoding in the digital domain, and I thought the 5.1 inputs bypassed the A-D-A conversion, so that they could be used with high resolution formats like DVD-A and SACD without mucking up the signal. Am I missing something?

Success! I disconnected my 5.1 analog out cables along with the audio left/right which I had hooked up to a RF modulator so I could watch DVD's on the upstairs TV. Must have been some type of conflict in the Sony.
DTS is nice.
Thanks for the help.
Richard R

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So in order for the 6.1 to work, you have to have a direct feed from the DVD Player to the 1050? No Optical Cables used?

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I never realized it until psklenar mentioned it in this thread, but it turns out that the 1050 can apply the 6.1 surround decoding to the 5.1 analog input (just dug into the manual a bit, page 28). Very interesting. That means that 6.1 Surround will work for Dolby Digital audio decoded by the 1050 (digital connection, optical or coaxial) and for any 5.1 analog input (Dolby Digital, DTS, DVD-Audio, or multi-channel SACD).

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Gonk

Now that I have everthing working, I'm going to try the 6.1 feature on the DTS ES signal coming into the 1050 via the 5.1 direct. I wonder how much it will add to the listening experience and what the 1050 will show on the display screen: DTS, Prologic or something else? God, I love to tinker!

Richard R

I just ordered the 1050 and hopefully it will be here tomm. My DVD player Pany Rp56 does not have 5.1 out, so i won't be able to get 6.1 on DTS tracks?

What DVD players have 5.1 out so i could get DTS 6.1, or is there another option?

Potus,
I was considering the RP56 because I just got a 65" RPTV and the Sony is not progressive scan but I didn't realize it didn't have the 5.1 outs. So it probably doesn't decode DD or DTS. I guess you can't have everything for $230. I've heard a lot of good things about the RP56. Best bang for the buck.

Richard R

There are a fair number of DVD players around with 5.1 outputs, but a lot of them only decode Dolby Digital internally -- so you still wouldn't be able to get DTS 6.1. The Panasonic RP-91 will decode DTS internally, but it's the only Panasonic player I'm aware of that will. I glanced at Toshiba's site and couldn't find any players that decode DTS internally. Similar results from Pioneer's site, and I couldn't even find one in Sony's current line-up that clearly said it had internal DTS decoding (the DVP-NS700P may, but it's not clear). Basically, internal DTS decoding is rare, although it is a standard feature for players to be able to pass a DTS signal to the digital output. Most people are turning to the receiver or pre/pro to get DTS-ES capability.

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Gonk

Forget about trying to find a DVD player with built-in DTS decoding. Just buy a 950. You'll be happier with it anyway.

Here's a couple of players that decodes DTS and DD

Panasonic DVD RA60 also plays DVD audio

Sony DVPNS500V

in case anyone was looking

Matthew:
I hear you. I'd love to buy the 950 but right now, unfortunetly its not in the budget. Maybe for next Christmas. In the mean time, I'll enjoy reading the feedback on the 950 once its starts shipping. I've been out of the high fidelity market for so long I forgot how fun it was! (and expensive).

By the way, the 6.1 surround worked great on Gladitor DTS ES using the 5.1 direct analog signal. I was having problems initially but realized that I had to do a speaker setup on my Sony in order to pass all of the seperate channels down to the 1050. In addition, Chapter 1 of Toy Story2 was also very agreeable in 6.1!

Richard

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