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#67547 - 02/18/08 04:57 PM Hook-up: 990 to an MC Phono Preamp?
TheDudeAbides Offline
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Loc: Salem, Oregon
Hi all. I have just decided to get into vinyl. I have a Rega 3 TT with Linn LV X arm and Shure v15 III cartridge, which is moving coil.

How might I hook up a phono preamp for the MC Cartridge with my 990?

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#67548 - 02/18/08 05:14 PM Re: Hook-up: 990 to an MC Phono Preamp?
Altec Offline
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The Shure cartridge is not a moving coil, but rather a traditional moving magnet, and as such will have a higher output level of around 5mV.

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#67549 - 02/18/08 05:28 PM Re: Hook-up: 990 to an MC Phono Preamp?
slbenz Offline
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Registered: 07/24/07
Posts: 125
Loc: Northern California
Quote:
Originally posted by TheDudeAbides:
Hi all. I have just decided to get into vinyl. I have a Rega 3 TT with Linn LV X arm and Shure v15 III cartridge, which is moving coil.

How might I hook up a phono preamp for the MC Cartridge with my 990?
I have my Jolida JD-9 phono preamp connected to one of the free inputs to my 990. In my case, I used the AUX input and renamed it TURNTABLE so that I would not be confused with the current PHONO input currently on the 990.

Slbenz

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#67550 - 02/18/08 07:09 PM Re: Hook-up: 990 to an MC Phono Preamp?
TheDudeAbides Offline
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Registered: 03/10/06
Posts: 26
Loc: Salem, Oregon
I just bought the cartridge on EBay. The listing says it is a moving coil cartridge. To my knowledge, V15's aren't moving coil...

I am confused as well...

Here's the listing:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150214970169&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=005

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#67551 - 02/18/08 07:56 PM Re: Hook-up: 990 to an MC Phono Preamp?
Altec Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by TheDudeAbides:
I just bought the cartridge on EBay. The listing says it is a moving coil cartridge. To my knowledge, V15's aren't moving coil...

I am confused as well...

Here's the listing:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150214970169&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=005
Shure never made moving coil cartridges. All their cartridges were moving magnet types. If somebody is trying to say otherwise on eBay, they're wrong at best, and deliberately misleading at worst. At any rate, I'd never buy a used cartridge since the stylus is so easily abused, intentionally or unetentionally.

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#67552 - 02/18/08 09:03 PM Re: Hook-up: 990 to an MC Phono Preamp?
slbenz Offline
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Registered: 07/24/07
Posts: 125
Loc: Northern California
Quote:
Originally posted by TheDudeAbides:
I just bought the cartridge on EBay. The listing says it is a moving coil cartridge. To my knowledge, V15's aren't moving coil...

I am confused as well...

Here's the listing:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150214970169&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=005
I think the seller is confused. Like Altec said, Shure only makes MM carts. If you haven't searched already, here is the owner's manual to your new Shure MM cart: http://www.shure.com/stellent/groups/public/@gms_gmi_web_ug/documents/web_resource/us_pro_v15iii_ug.pdf

Slbenz

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#67553 - 02/18/08 11:14 PM Re: Hook-up: 990 to an MC Phono Preamp?
TheDudeAbides Offline
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Registered: 03/10/06
Posts: 26
Loc: Salem, Oregon
I think you're right. The seller must just be confused. Well, this is ideal. I don't need a preamp now... I can just use the 990's, correct?

Would I be missing anything>?

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#67554 - 02/19/08 12:08 AM Re: Hook-up: 990 to an MC Phono Preamp?
psyprof1 Offline
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Registered: 09/10/05
Posts: 443
Loc: Santa Barbara, CA
That's right, Dude - the Shure is perfectly compatible with the 990's PHONO input. As for "missing anything", the sound should be fine (assuming your used cartridge's stylus is undamaged), if my experience with an Audio Technica cartridge is any guide, and this AT didn't have the reputation - nor the price! - of the Shure V15. Of course there are plenty of standalone phono preamps, some costing more than 12 times the price of the 990, and I am sure many of them will outperform the 990's phono preamp section: more detail, better extreme bass and highs, stereo imaging, etc. It's a pay for what you get world, and sometimes you even get what you pay for. Best.

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#67555 - 02/19/08 12:29 AM Re: Hook-up: 990 to an MC Phono Preamp?
Altec Offline
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There is no reason why phono preamps need to cost a lot of money. They are electronically simple, with simple methods of applying the RIAA equalization. Of course, that doesn't stop some companies from charging vast sums on what is basically a simple circuit. The laws of diminishing returns is reached quite rapidly with such a basic circuit. The chassis is likely to cost more than the circuit inside, especially if 3/8" thick billet faceplates are involved.

Almost any reasonably good IC, transistor or tube circuit will provide bandwidth, distortion, and noise performance which is better than the vinyl it's self. Vinyl is limited in the bass region by the practical excursion of the grooves, the compliance of the stylus, and above all, low frequency noise from the mechanical nature of the reproduction method. The high end is pretty well signed off by 15kHz due to practical limitations on detail which can be cut into mechanical grooves, especially on the inner bands of an LP.

It's a miracle that vinyl can sound so great, given the hurdles it has to overcome, but the fact is that it does it very well. Better than most commercial digital recordings from my experience.

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#67556 - 02/20/08 01:15 AM Re: Hook-up: 990 to an MC Phono Preamp?
psyprof1 Offline
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Registered: 09/10/05
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Loc: Santa Barbara, CA
That you - and I too, Altec - can enjoy the sound of vinyl so much, often more than CD for many people, even those who've grown up on CD sound, in spite of the superiority of CD specifications, makes me doubt that the "simplicity" of phono preamp circuits is the whole story. If it were, wouldn't all competently made phono preamps, or preamp sections, sound pretty much the same? But is that really true? I wonder if anybody reading this has actually heard different phono preamps, fed by the same record players and pickups and feeding the same front ends, amplifiers, and speakers. Not an easy test to arrange, and there couldn't be instant A-B comparisons. But how interesting it would be, at least to those of us really interested in music and sound quality.

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