Outlaw has held off on offering any specific dates, and I suspect that will stay true until they have something really close to release. The earliest I'd expect anything would be the first of next year - and even that's probably iffy. Keep in mind that while companies like Onkyo and Denon are getting into the game with new HDMI receivers, we've seen almost nothing definite on surround processors yet because those come typically from smaller companies that will need more time to get development taken care of. I also retain some doubts about promised delivery dates in at least some cases, as these new products are doing a lot of new stuff (HDMI switching, HDCP handshaking, various bits of video processing, and even new processing mdoes like TrueHD and DTS-HD MA assuming that any source components are able to start outputting bitstreams of them at some point). Onkyo hit their dates pretty well and Denon may do the same, but not everyone will, and even a little slip for a fall release is going to put you almost into the first of the year.