#65517 - 06/16/07 01:04 AM
Auto calibration error
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Deputy Gunslinger
Registered: 07/28/05
Posts: 9
Loc: NYC
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Hello all,
Out of curiosity, has anyone encountered a problem in which after you run through the auto cal process an error message stating my surround speakers are set to large and my mains are set to small? It tells me to go back and reconfigure my speakers.
Just to review the obvious, all my speakers are set to "small" and "yes" to the subwoofer. Everything is wired correctly and in even in phase. I ran through it twice just to make sure but the results were the same.
I won't ever rely on the auto cal feature as I use an IVIE sound meter but I like getting to the bottom of weird problems.
Thanks for your input.
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#65518 - 06/16/07 03:17 AM
Re: Auto calibration error
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Desperado
Registered: 09/12/05
Posts: 619
Loc: El Cajon, California
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I don't recall reading about your error here in the Saloon, but the 990's autocalibration is effective for some and not for others. It didn't work for me either, but like you I was going to use my SPL meter anyway to set the speaker calibration. For me its a feature that could be left off the next pre/pro. It might be less expensive for Outlaw to provide a SPL meter instead of autocalibration.
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#65519 - 06/16/07 07:38 PM
Re: Auto calibration error
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Gunslinger
Registered: 04/21/06
Posts: 96
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Auto calibration didn’t work for me either. I had the same problem. The auto calibration feature on the 990 is one of a few features that don’t work as advertised. Very disappointing.
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#65520 - 06/17/07 02:38 PM
Re: Auto calibration error
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Gunslinger
Registered: 03/05/06
Posts: 118
Loc: Missouri
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I had the same issue. For some reason for me, the 990 needed to start the auto-calibration with the speaker sizes set to large, and/or the crossovers set as low as they can go (40Hz). After doing this for all speakers and re-running the setup, it was much more accurate. Give it a shot.
I'm not sure why it doesn't do this itself when starting the calibration.
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#65522 - 06/19/07 03:14 PM
Re: Auto calibration error
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Gunslinger
Registered: 01/29/07
Posts: 56
Loc: near Chicago
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Auto calibration worked pretty well for me...within 1db of using the SPL meter...on the second attempt. I'm not using a subwoofer so perhaps that was an influencing factor. I can't complain about the feature. I thought it worked pretty well for someone who didn't want to get overly technical with setup.
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#65523 - 06/19/07 05:13 PM
Re: Auto calibration error
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Gunslinger
Registered: 05/13/01
Posts: 121
Loc: South San Francisco, CA USA
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It worked well for me also, within 1dB on all channels as compared to the SPL meter (easily within my margin of error)...
It got the delay settings almost dead on as well. It was off by about 4 feet with the Sub, but bass is supposed to be difficult to localize, right?
While I hadn't heard Scott's recommendation before, I did adjust my crossovers before running it.
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#65524 - 06/19/07 07:22 PM
Re: Auto calibration error
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Desperado
Registered: 09/04/05
Posts: 358
Loc: Sanford NC
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I hadn't seen Scott's suggestion either and continually got the message to switch my speakers. I tried running it with the Subs turned off and that worked but, of course, I had to set the sub levels manually. I'll give it another shot tonight with the other crossovers pulled down to 40hz to match my mains.
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#65525 - 06/30/07 03:17 PM
Re: Auto calibration error
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Gunslinger
Registered: 01/24/06
Posts: 19
Loc: Metrowest Boston
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My experience with the 990 auto calibration has been very disappointing. The delay calibration seems to be ok but the surround levels and sub level have never been right. It's important to set your speaker size and crossover BEFORE running the test and to make sure the tone defeat is ON. You're better off using an RS meter and the 990 generator or the AVIA test disc. Also, see my post about 990 bass level problems.
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#65526 - 06/30/07 05:52 PM
Re: Auto calibration error
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Gunslinger
Registered: 06/22/06
Posts: 46
Loc: Northern Virginia
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Auto calibration worked very well for me. It only makes sense to complete the set-up configurations first then as a last and final step, run the auto calibration. Distances were spot on and levels on the money too. My sub has built-in 6 band eq and I ran THAT set-up first then the 990 to adjust overall levels
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