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#65151 - 04/17/07 05:30 PM Re: 990 and uncompressed PCM
gonk Offline
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smile - It's funny when a mid-read word sums up a format war so succinctly...
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#65152 - 04/18/07 12:21 AM Re: 990 and uncompressed PCM
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Samsung also has a new hybrid player and a standalone hd dvd player coming in a few months.
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#65153 - 04/18/07 12:32 AM Re: 990 and uncompressed PCM
psyprof1 Offline
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Yes - I too think the most reasonable position is the one from which one can mid-read different viewpoints. I hope potential buyers will refuse to buy any new disc player that won't play all formats, audio and video, that are available at the time - regardless of technical objections.

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#65154 - 08/01/07 09:58 PM Re: 990 and uncompressed PCM
xcortes Offline
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It's been a while since I posted this question. However two things that happened that make me retake it.

First, as opposed to gonk's comment:

Quote:
Multichannel PCM on Blu-ray discs was done initially because the early players didn't include decoders for the new audio formats. It is a significant disc space hog to use, and newer releases are using multichannel PCM less and less. Where nearly all releases used PCM at first, I'd guess that now fewer than 25% use it. There are even some Blu-ray releases that are only using Dolby Digital or DTS. Over the next year, I'd expect studios to move entirely to Dolby Digital Plus (which is just an advanced form of Dolby Digital, also using lossy compression), DTS-HD, or the two lossless compression options TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio. The latter two can offer the benefits of PCM (no lossy compression) in much less disc space.
I see that most BR titles are still released with uncompressed PCM as opposed to TrueHD. The same applies to those to be released soon. Even those that come with True HD also feature PCM.

Second, Sony has a firmware upgrade for the BD-1 that allows it to decode True HD so the discussion, on my side, is now futile eek

Just ordered a set of 5.1 interconnects to use uncompressed audio via the 990s analog inputs cool

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#65155 - 08/03/07 06:17 PM Re: 990 and uncompressed PCM
tetonmtnbiker Offline
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Registered: 07/30/07
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I have a PS3 that has no analog out so I use coax for my audio out to the 990. I know TrueHD and DTS-HD cannot be passed over coax, but what about uncompressed PCM 5.1? If not, am I stuck with the lagacy formats until the 990's replacement comes along?

Thanks in advance. First Post. Love the forum.

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#65156 - 08/03/07 06:37 PM Re: 990 and uncompressed PCM
gonk Offline
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Uncompressed PCM also cannot be passed via coaxial or optical.
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#65157 - 08/03/07 07:53 PM Re: 990 and uncompressed PCM
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To elaborate: the PS3 outputs TrueHD (and eventually DTS-HD MA, although I don't think that's working yet) over HDMI as multichannel PCM, at which point the data itself is identical to multichannel PCM straight from the disc. Coaxial and optical only have enough bandwidth for two-channel PCM.
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#65158 - 08/03/07 08:35 PM Re: 990 and uncompressed PCM
tetonmtnbiker Offline
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Thanks Gonk. Looks like I'm out of luck with the new lossless formats till the next gen 990 comes out.

It sounds so good now that I sometimes wonder why I care (my dad calls it chasing the unicorn), but when you know a "better" format exists......

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#65159 - 08/03/07 10:44 PM Re: 990 and uncompressed PCM
gonk Offline
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It reminds me of the early days of the DVD format. I had a DVD player for almost two years before getting a Dolby Digital receiver (my old Outlaw Model 1050), and during that time I used stereo analog outputs into a Yamaha Pro Logic receiver. I was quite happy with the sound quality compared to the other formats that I had available, even though I kept reading DVD reviews that talked about how much better Dolby Digital was. As with then, the time will come when I can really use these new audio formats, but at least this time I've got Dolby Digital 5.1, DTS, DVD-A, and SACD to occupy me while I wait. smile
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