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#63905 - 02/02/07 11:15 PM AC Line filters
meatbag Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/02/07
Posts: 27
Loc: TX
Anyone using ac line conditioners like any of the PS Audio line with the 990 or anything else.

I have always had problems with line noise in my home and have been looking at getting the PS audio Power Director 3.5 to help my system out.
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Sonus Faber Grand Piano mains/center
Outlaw Audio LFM-1 x2
Definitive Technologies Protower400 surrounds
Outlaw 990 and 7500
Signal Cable speaker cable
outlaw audio interconnects

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#63906 - 02/03/07 12:02 AM Re: AC Line filters
AARONMADLER Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 12/12/06
Posts: 169
Loc: Needham, MA
meatbag - This one has helped me out. (Belkin PureAV PF60)

http://www.ecost.com/ecost/shop/detail.asp?dpno=501009
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Outlaw 990/7700, Oppo DV-981HD, Gallo S.A.Amp, Nucleus Ref. 3.1, AV C, AV M, TR-2, Paradigm Atom, Pioneer PDP-4214HD, Mtrola DCT6200/2005

Outlaw 990, Aragon 8008X3, 8008, Denon 3930CI, Dahlquist DQ20, Outlaw LFM-1+, Paradigm Atom, Mtrola DCT3416 I

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#63907 - 02/03/07 12:58 AM Re: AC Line filters
Lizard King Offline
Desperado

Registered: 08/30/06
Posts: 425
Loc: NY
I have the Belken PureAv PF60 like AaronMadler. There are many audiophile companies out there that offer products that are so overpriced and do not deliver the goods.

I recommended this to a former co-worker who just installed a 50 inch Panasonic Plasma HDTV and the very next day he told me he saw an improved picture. I did not get to ask him about Audio as I was let go but trust me when I say you will like this unit very much over the BS Audio companys versions.

I got mine off on From Ebay for $195 back in September. The price on the PureAv web site was and still is $600. I suggest you get the unit at that price, you will be so lucky.

Liz
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Outlaw 1070, Anthem MCA5 II amp.
Sony Ps3
Alon 2 Mk2 Loudspeakers
HSU VTF-2 Mk2 sub x2
VAC PA100/100 Tube Amp
ARC SP16-L tube Preamp
Audio Note Dac 2.1 "B" signature
Furutech E-TP80,
Ascend HTM-200, 340C
Sony KDS-55A2020

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#63908 - 02/03/07 08:30 AM Re: AC Line filters
AARONMADLER Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 12/12/06
Posts: 169
Loc: Needham, MA
Liz - The link that I have attached has a price of $169.99, it was so inexpensive, that I purchased two. One for each system that I have.
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Outlaw 990/7700, Oppo DV-981HD, Gallo S.A.Amp, Nucleus Ref. 3.1, AV C, AV M, TR-2, Paradigm Atom, Pioneer PDP-4214HD, Mtrola DCT6200/2005

Outlaw 990, Aragon 8008X3, 8008, Denon 3930CI, Dahlquist DQ20, Outlaw LFM-1+, Paradigm Atom, Mtrola DCT3416 I

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#63909 - 02/03/07 11:00 PM Re: AC Line filters
Lizard King Offline
Desperado

Registered: 08/30/06
Posts: 425
Loc: NY
Aaron, you were even luckier than me. The price on the PureAv web site I believe is still $600.

My system is not installed yet. I just started ordering. I have my Ascend Acoustics 340C Center and an HSU VTF-2 MK2 subwoofer on order.

Let me aks what audible improvements you notice you get with the PF60? Also, what video improvements do you notice?
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Outlaw 1070, Anthem MCA5 II amp.
Sony Ps3
Alon 2 Mk2 Loudspeakers
HSU VTF-2 Mk2 sub x2
VAC PA100/100 Tube Amp
ARC SP16-L tube Preamp
Audio Note Dac 2.1 "B" signature
Furutech E-TP80,
Ascend HTM-200, 340C
Sony KDS-55A2020

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#63910 - 02/04/07 12:04 AM Re: AC Line filters
Bill O Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 08/14/06
Posts: 164
Loc: Missouri
Do power conditioners work?
I have had 2 different types.
A panamax, cant remember the model, and a Blue Circle B86.
The Panamax was 1st. My wife could tell a diference in picture quality, I couldn't tell anything, but thought that my system did sound better.
After that I bought the Blue Circle B86. Nothing plugs into it, it simply sucks all the bad noise into it. Don't ask me how. There web site exsplains it.
Once I put the B86 in to the eqaution, low and behold I could tell a difference.Well over a year now, I've unplugged both the Panamax and B86. My wife doesn't know, and I can't even tell any difference. Bottom line is, I wanted to hear a difference before, I think?
Now I have a APC J-15 UPS/conditioner which powers everything. Had they had a model for home theater use without any conditioning I would have bought that.

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#63911 - 02/04/07 06:07 AM Re: AC Line filters
AARONMADLER Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 12/12/06
Posts: 169
Loc: Needham, MA
Liz and Bill O -

I was only lucky because TooMuchActions pointed me to the ecost website which was less expensive than any other that I found. Call me crazy, but the audible improvements that I noticed with the PF60 were these.

I had a popping sound every time that I turned on my amp and there are two high current outlets that I plugged my amps into with a delay of 5, 10 or 15 seconds. Now I no longer hear the popping sound when I turn on the system as the amps are delayed by 5 seconds. You must read the manual on the PF60 for a better explanation.

Also, as I was connecting all of my components to the PF60, I noticed an extreme buzzing coming from the speakers. At that time, only one of two amps was plugged in and when I plugged the other amp in, the buzzing was gone. To be honest, I'm not sure that I noticed any video improvements, but that might be because I had no video problems to begin with.

However, with regard to video problems, which I had at my office set up, I had a similar problem recently and I purchased the following based on info from this forum. I purchased the Jensen, model VRD-1FF cable tv rf isolator. It cost $50.00 and got rid of 90% of the problem. 6th photo down - Jensen, model VRD-1FF.

Also, you might want to try Brickwall for high power audio applications such as an amp and subwoofer, model PW2RAUD, cost $235.00 as recommended from Steve at Outlaw, but I have no personal experience with this. (first photo at left)

I wish you luck as I know how annoying ground loop hum and buzz can be. Please let me know how it goes.

http://www.jensen-transformers.com/iso_vid.html

http://brickwall.thomasnet.com/category/audio-surge-protectors?
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Outlaw 990/7700, Oppo DV-981HD, Gallo S.A.Amp, Nucleus Ref. 3.1, AV C, AV M, TR-2, Paradigm Atom, Pioneer PDP-4214HD, Mtrola DCT6200/2005

Outlaw 990, Aragon 8008X3, 8008, Denon 3930CI, Dahlquist DQ20, Outlaw LFM-1+, Paradigm Atom, Mtrola DCT3416 I

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#63912 - 02/06/07 01:35 PM Re: AC Line filters
zod Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 06/14/06
Posts: 32
The Tripplite Isobar series has excellent AC filters and are very reasonably priced.

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#63913 - 02/06/07 09:12 PM Re: AC Line filters
meatbag Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/02/07
Posts: 27
Loc: TX
I tried to purchase the belkin pf60 from ecost.com but the order wont process. Anyone know anywhere else that has it for $165? Closest I can find is $260.
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Sonus Faber Grand Piano mains/center
Outlaw Audio LFM-1 x2
Definitive Technologies Protower400 surrounds
Outlaw 990 and 7500
Signal Cable speaker cable
outlaw audio interconnects

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#63914 - 02/06/07 09:30 PM Re: AC Line filters
AARONMADLER Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 12/12/06
Posts: 169
Loc: Needham, MA
meatbag - Go 8 posts up and click on the link. I just tried it and although it hesitated, it works.
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Outlaw 990/7700, Oppo DV-981HD, Gallo S.A.Amp, Nucleus Ref. 3.1, AV C, AV M, TR-2, Paradigm Atom, Pioneer PDP-4214HD, Mtrola DCT6200/2005

Outlaw 990, Aragon 8008X3, 8008, Denon 3930CI, Dahlquist DQ20, Outlaw LFM-1+, Paradigm Atom, Mtrola DCT3416 I

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