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#59844 - 05/21/06 10:22 PM Re: 990 Firmware Upgrade
Relentless Offline
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Registered: 04/19/05
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Loc: Chicago,IL
I was under the impression that with the original firmware in bypass with analog inputs and the speakers set to small the fronts would be crossed at the settings and you would have to use the subs crossover or an SMS or some other external crossover for the full range signal that is sent to the subs.with the new firmware that seems to have changed or I was wrong and it is the same as it was before.
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#59845 - 05/21/06 10:30 PM Re: 990 Firmware Upgrade
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Registered: 03/21/01
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I'm basing my statements on the old firmware (haven't got the new firmware installed yet to see what it does), and as I understand it the analog bypass mode was already bug-free. It's a somewhat unusual approach to the issue of getting a signal to the sub when small speakers and an analog bypass mode are put together, but there's an argument that can be made for it.
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#59846 - 05/21/06 11:24 PM Re: 990 Firmware Upgrade
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Registered: 03/05/06
Posts: 118
Loc: Missouri
Darn....I really wish they would've just dropped the sub output on 2-channel analog bypass. I love the L/R getting the full range, but it is a pain to turn off the sub each time. I enjoy 2 channel analog listening with full range towers only (no sub).
I would like...
Analog/Fronts=SM/Sub=Yes
bypass = full range fronts with sub off

Looks like I'll have to stick with setting my mains to large rather than something like - small at 40hz. I understand you can't please everyone wink

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#59847 - 05/21/06 11:38 PM Re: 990 Firmware Upgrade
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Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 255
Loc: Spokane, WA
just listen to your fronts on large.. in bypass. no sub that way. or did this change with the update?
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#59848 - 05/22/06 12:00 AM Re: 990 Firmware Upgrade
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Registered: 12/20/02
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I was kind of hoping the full range to the sub during bypass would go away too. I could live with it if there was a way to easily change the fronts from small to large. A remote discreet code or from the front panel would be nice. I have an HDMI projector so getting to the setup menu or OSD is a pain, especially when I just want to listen to a CD.
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#59849 - 05/22/06 01:02 AM Re: 990 Firmware Upgrade
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Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 255
Loc: Spokane, WA
i thought the stereo button, right above the sleep button.. lets you scroll thru stereo, bypass, then upsample, 5.1 etc..? Without having to enter the on screen menu. that's how it works for me.
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#59850 - 05/22/06 08:55 AM Re: 990 Firmware Upgrade
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Registered: 12/20/02
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AFAIK there is no way to change the speaker size from the front panel. With the 950, if I remember correctly you could. Stereo Bypass and 7.1 analog is the only time I would want them Large the rest of the time I'd like them crossed over at 40hz.

My fronts can handle most music sources down low but unfortunately many DVD soundtracks have low bass mixed into the mains. I use stereo bypass for CDs because I have an external DAC. I run 7.1 analog for DVD-A and SACDs and prefer to have no A/D - D/A which is only possible by setting everything Large AFAIK. The only time I'd run the mains small is DVD for reasons mentioned above.
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#59851 - 05/22/06 09:48 AM Re: 990 Firmware Upgrade
jrlouie Offline
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Registered: 03/05/06
Posts: 118
Loc: Missouri
Quote:
Originally posted by obie_fl:
...if there was a way to easily change the fronts from small to large. A remote discreet code or from the front panel would be nice.
That nailed it on the head. An easy way when you pop in a CD to set that baby to remove as much processing as possible and just have good 'ole 2-channel full range (i.e. - bypass). To me, bypass should do nothing to the signal whatsoever, including not introducing a sub signal.
Or, the discrete code would've worked for me too. Or if the 7.1 direct didn't apply a crossover (or a setting to make it so) with the assumption that the 7.1 player had its own bass management, that could've worked too (could've just hooked CDP to 7.1 inputs).
They moved one step closer from the original firmware in the sense that bypass now sends a full range signal to the mains (even if set to small), but still left the sub on. This was really the only firmware update I cared about. Guess I'll just stick to leaving my mains on large, same as before the update.
Oh well, different strokes for different folks.

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#59852 - 05/22/06 10:28 AM Re: 990 Firmware Upgrade
olness Offline
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Registered: 03/02/06
Posts: 9
Loc: Montana
Does anyone know if the online 990 manual has been updated for the firmware upgrade?
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#59853 - 05/22/06 02:12 PM Re: 990 Firmware Upgrade
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Registered: 12/20/02
Posts: 194
I got the update installed and I have to admit I'm kind of disappointed. The lip synch display is nice other then that I don't "see or hear" much difference.

Stereo Bypass is still unusable unless you turn your sub off IMHO. I switched my mains from large to small just to check and almost blew my sub up. How can this method possibly work for anyone?
This was after I calibrated my sub down too.

Can't rename the 7.1 analog inputs and as far as I can tell the BM hasn't changed on it. No easy way to bypass the A/D-D/A or to use the players BM.

I can no longer dim my front panel, did this get left out or am I doing it wrong?

Auto-Cal still doesn't work in my system. It still insists my dipoles are bigger them my mains which have six drivers and a powered woofer.
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