#59573 - 04/21/06 10:42 AM
Audio lags behind video?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 04/21/06
Posts: 96
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I’ve had my 990 for a week now. When I watched my 1st Dolby Digital movie with it the audio lagged way behind the video. It was ok in 2-channel mode. I was ready to throw it out the window. Then the next day I reset the 990 and it was much better but I think the audio still lags behind the video. I see this with DVD and satellite receiver. It might be my imagination because I am watching it much more critically because I want to make sure that there isn’t a problem with the 990.
Has anyone had this problem?
The video for both my DVD player and satellite receiver are connected directly to the TV via component video. The audio for both devices are connected to the 990 via Toslink. I’ve made sure the lip sync delay is set to 0.
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#59574 - 04/21/06 11:26 AM
Re: Audio lags behind video?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 07/18/05
Posts: 72
Loc: Eureka CA.
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I have not had this problem. Why don't you run the audio AND video thru the 990? Seems like the obvious, easy solution to the problem. Of course it may not be easy, but you know what I mean. It can't hurt to try it, and see if it fixes the problem. Good Luck, Lonster P.S. If you DO throw it out the window, let me know where you live so I can be there to catch it :-)
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#59575 - 04/21/06 11:37 AM
Re: Audio lags behind video?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 12/05/05
Posts: 240
Loc: The Northcoast
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I run my video directly from source units to my TV and have had no synch problems. Wish I could be of more help.
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#59577 - 04/21/06 11:58 AM
Re: Audio lags behind video?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 255
Loc: Spokane, WA
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I've noticed the lag problem too.. i can use the trim Delay feature for the audio.. which solves the problem... but i also wish that Delay would go into the - minus as well.
On some Dish Network programming even with the trim Delay.. the audio still seems off.. and I can't get it to match.. it's close, but still off somewhat.
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#59579 - 04/21/06 01:07 PM
Re: Audio lags behind video?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 10/30/03
Posts: 46
Loc: Eatontown, New Jersey
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I've heard the "Clever Little Clocks" are great for this sort of thing!
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#59581 - 04/21/06 09:20 PM
Re: Audio lags behind video?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 12/28/05
Posts: 99
Loc: Rhode Island
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I initially had this problem with SAT and DVD. My problem was related to what Gonk stated-odd distance settings, speaker calibration. I have a Martin Logan subwoofer with various inputs. Once I changed the input to 0.1/LFE In, the lip synch problems were gone. You may want to experiment with speaker calibration/ subwoofer settings.
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#59582 - 04/23/06 02:45 PM
Re: Audio lags behind video?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 255
Loc: Spokane, WA
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jmacari, i find this very interesting.. I never realized that a subwoofer and delay settings could cause a sync delay in the audio.
I have calibrated my system several times in the past month. Whenever I let the 990 pre do it automaticaly, it sounds better than when I do it manually. I do use a Avia set up disc and a SPL meter too.
THe 990 appears to set the distance just right.. but one time while running the auto set up.. it did set the volume for the surrounds way to high... something like +7 and +6.
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#59583 - 04/23/06 07:25 PM
Re: Audio lags behind video?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 12/28/05
Posts: 99
Loc: Rhode Island
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In my case, it did. I was told to use the 0.1/LFE input by Scott (Outlaw tech support) when I described my lip synch problems with SAT/OTA audio...I never would have looked in that direction if I didn't call support. I initially was using the lip synch delay setting in the OSD menu at first, without any satisfying results-then I called Outlaw.
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#59584 - 04/23/06 07:47 PM
Re: Audio lags behind video?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 255
Loc: Spokane, WA
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so you changed inputs on your ML sub then.. not the 990 pre?
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#59585 - 04/23/06 10:38 PM
Re: Audio lags behind video?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 12/28/05
Posts: 99
Loc: Rhode Island
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Right....I originally had a Y-connector (Left and right sub input) going to the 990 sub output; now 990 sub output (single cable) goes to 0.1/LFE input (single input).
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#59586 - 04/23/06 11:31 PM
Re: Audio lags behind video?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 255
Loc: Spokane, WA
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i have a y connector of sorts. i use one sub cable from the 990 out to both inputs on my subwoofer. do you recommend I unplug on of them on the sub end?
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#59587 - 04/24/06 08:25 AM
Re: Audio lags behind video?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 12/28/05
Posts: 99
Loc: Rhode Island
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You could try that.....but if your still having lip synch problems, I would give tech support a call.
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#59588 - 04/29/06 10:43 AM
Re: Audio lags behind video?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 04/21/06
Posts: 96
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Last night I connected my Yamaha receiver back up and watched one of the same movies I did with the 990. Every scene and every word were synced up perfectly with the video. Another problem with the 990 I don’t like is that it takes a while for it to figure out what kind of audio signal it is receiving. So when I change the channel I get no audio for a second or so. Same thing happens when I play a CD. I miss the first second or so before the 990 starts decoding the audio. Before I bought this unit I was considering an Adcom Pre/Pro but one of the reviews I read described that same problem so I crossed it off my list. Now the 990 is going back.
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#59589 - 04/29/06 11:00 AM
Re: Audio lags behind video?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 255
Loc: Spokane, WA
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i think there will always be a delay in the audio and video processing as components get more advanced. that delay is not uncommon with many other brands of receivers/pre amps.
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#59590 - 04/29/06 11:51 AM
Re: Audio lags behind video?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 12/05/05
Posts: 53
Loc: Glendale, Arizona
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It's amazing to me how quickly people give up and to quote that old saying, "throw the baby out with the bath water". if you catch my drift!
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#59591 - 04/29/06 12:12 PM
Re: Audio lags behind video?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 03/20/06
Posts: 29
Loc: Frederick, MD
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Tomorrow is my day for calibrating the 990/7500 and LFM-1. I have had it for a couple of weeks, but have't found the time. When I hooked up the LFM-1 the other night the audio lagged. So I disconnected the LFM-1 until I get a change to calibrate.
Will give a write-up tomorrow.
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#59592 - 04/30/06 04:12 AM
Re: Audio lags behind video?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 255
Loc: Spokane, WA
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get that sucker up and running Chris. LOL your basement looks amazing... i'm so jealous. ha ha ha.
good work there bud. Now rock on with the new set up.
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#59593 - 05/01/06 09:00 PM
Re: Audio lags behind video?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 04/21/06
Posts: 96
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I think the audio lag problem has gone away. After disconnecting the 990 for a day while I used my old Yamaha I reconnected the 990. I've tested with a few DVDs and I don't hear the lag in audio like I did before. Did leaving it unpluged from power for 24 hours fix it? I didn't make any other changes. It was not my imagination. Well even if it was I'm happy now and I won't be sending it back.
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#59594 - 05/02/06 01:12 AM
Re: Audio lags behind video?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 255
Loc: Spokane, WA
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that's interesting.. i may give that a try as well. Did you lose all your settings when you unplugged it for a day?
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#59595 - 05/02/06 09:12 AM
Re: Audio lags behind video?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 04/21/06
Posts: 96
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No I didn't loose the settings but I did a reset it a couple days before and that does wipe out the settings. If you haven't reset the unit I would do that too. The directions to reset are in the back of the manual.
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#59596 - 05/03/06 02:59 PM
Re: Audio lags behind video?
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Gunslinger
Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 255
Loc: Spokane, WA
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I will try a hard reset tonight.. i have played around several times when the lip sync delay. and i can't seem to get it right. the audio is always off slightly. so a reset is on the menu for tonight.
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