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#58603 - 03/18/06 09:35 PM Re: Who designed this On screen menu? It's terrible!
gonk Offline
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Registered: 03/21/01
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Loc: Memphis, TN USA
Ah, glad to hear you've got peace once again in the theater. smile
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#58604 - 03/19/06 12:53 PM Re: Who designed this On screen menu? It's terrible!
John Menoni Offline
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Registered: 03/26/05
Posts: 44
Loc: New York
I watched Revenge of the Sith tonight and it was awesome!!! Then I got to see the HBO fight in HD. Everyone is very very impressed with my system. The little T.V. fits perfectly in my gear cabinet on a shelf over the 7125. There are doors that cover the amp and T.V. so you don't even see it unless you open the doors. My neighbor thought it was so cool that the T.V. was there for the OSD. He thought it gave it a more professional feel. It worked out pretty good. Now I can acess the menu no matter what I'm watching.

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#58605 - 03/21/06 04:49 AM Re: Who designed this On screen menu? It's terrible!
Skyblazer Offline
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Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 255
Loc: Spokane, WA
Hi,

I am new here. I just got my 990 pre about a week ago. I too am having a similar problem with the OSD and a component video from my Pioneer DVD player to the 990 to the HDTV.

It wigs out for a split second, then it appears on screen with the black background. IS this normal? It kind of bugs me that i don't have OSD overlaid on the DVD source.. for volume either.

It works fine for my Dish Network hooked up via S-VHS. The OSD is overlaid on the screen.
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#58606 - 03/21/06 07:29 AM Re: Who designed this On screen menu? It's terrible!
gonk Offline
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The "wigging out" is the 990 replacing the incoming signal with a black screen. This is due to the fact that it is very difficult to superimpose data like OSD menus on top of component video inputs (especially when they are 480p, like your DVD player, or higher, like the 720p or 1080i of HD sources). Adding data to the signal (such as superimposing the menu over the source or having the "pop-up" data like volume appear over the source) would risk degrading the image. The 990's approach is pretty much standard for receivers and processors, even when you move far up above the 990 in price.

The Dish Network box is connected via s-video, which is a much less complex signal to manipulate. The simpler signal can get data overlayed without degrading the picture quality, and it is transcoded to component after the data is added.
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#58607 - 03/21/06 12:16 PM Re: Who designed this On screen menu? It's terrible!
Skyblazer Offline
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Registered: 03/21/06
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Loc: Spokane, WA
that makes sense.. thanks for taking the time to explain it. If that's the only thing I don't like about the 990, then that's a pretty minor inconvience for a really good pre amp.
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#58608 - 03/21/06 01:49 PM Re: Who designed this On screen menu? It's terrible!
gonk Offline
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Loc: Memphis, TN USA
Glad I could help. As complex as surround processors are these days, we all end up with questions - that's why forums like this one are so handy.
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#58609 - 04/09/06 05:21 PM Re: Who designed this On screen menu? It's terrible!
Rob Zwissler Offline
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Registered: 11/20/05
Posts: 13
Loc: Chicago, IL
This is my biggest dissapointment with the 990, you have to use the OSD for almost everything besides source switching...truly a pain if you use DVI (which was the reason I bought the 990). My Sunfire Theater Grand 3 is 100% configurable via the front panel 7-digit bar-segment LED display (thats right, technically a far inferior display to the 990s). There is no reason that the 990 cannot do the same, I doubt the software would even require much work - just mirror (a close approximation at least) the settings on the current line of the OSD onto the front panel display. And design the menus so they are intuitive & hierarchical like those on the Sunfire.

To see what I mean, just check out the Sunfire manual, page 31:
http://www.sunfire.com/pdf/Theater%20Grand%20IV%20Manual.pdf

Rob

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#58610 - 04/09/06 11:39 PM Re: Who designed this On screen menu? It's terrible!
Skyblazer Offline
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Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 255
Loc: Spokane, WA
i have heard of some people hooking up a second small TV just so that they can access the 990 display when using DVI or componenet video. might be the answer to your problem. just a thought.
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CAL Alpha tube DAC
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#58611 - 04/10/06 03:35 PM Re: Who designed this On screen menu? It's terrible!
Sunny Offline
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Registered: 12/07/05
Posts: 21
Loc: IL
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#58612 - 04/11/06 09:56 PM Re: Who designed this On screen menu? It's terrible!
vince32837 Offline
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Registered: 03/07/06
Posts: 75
Loc: Orlando
Hey Sunny,

How does the 990 sound with the Swan Divas? I have 6.1's 4.1's, and C3 center..990 will be here Thurs..
thanks Vince

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