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#58571 - 03/15/06 08:47 PM 7500 plus two 2200's later
saddlesore Offline
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Registered: 03/15/06
Posts: 15
Loc: Kentucky
I'm a 50-50% AV and 2-channel listener. If I start with a 990/7500/LFM-1 combo and opt to go with a couple of 2200's later (say two years)... what will I be out from an audio perspective in comparison with starting with a 7700? I've blown my budget on everything in my AV system so far...went shopping for a 42" or 50" TV and came home with a 60" Sony XBR laugh The $500 would be REALLY nice to have in my pocket...

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#58572 - 03/15/06 09:49 PM Re: 7500 plus two 2200's later
Paratrooper Offline
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Registered: 06/07/03
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Loc: Conyers,GA,USA
I do not believe you will be out anything. I Have a 990 with a 755 amp and two 200s. The 200 drive my rear speakers in a 7.1 config, however I have driven my mains with the 200s for comparasion, and my ears could not detect any difference. smile

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#58573 - 03/15/06 11:52 PM Re: 7500 plus two 2200's later
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I don't think you'd be losing anything at all.
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#58574 - 03/16/06 06:04 AM Re: 7500 plus two 2200's later
nfaguys Offline
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Registered: 04/09/05
Posts: 500
Loc: Maine
Both are correct. However I asked Scott about seven channel amp vs. 5 ch plus two monos. I wondered if the 2 monos would be better for the front L/R because of independent power supplies.

Scott pointed out that the "sharing" of the seven channel amp's power supply (obviously sufficiently strong for 200w @ 8 ohms RMS driven and x 7) is not seven isolated supplies and that therefore more power/headroom or whatever is available. For example the surrouns are rears might not be "taxed" as much as the fronts and center, and power is available in shared mode, that is not in individual.

But as said above probably doesn't make a difference and you won't hear it. I like the idea of the seven channels in a package. It makes for easier wiring and component placement.

I kept my 755 when I triggered for the 7700. The 755 replaced old Crown amps in another room and made the electrostats there sound like new.
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990/7700/6-KEF-107s/LFM1 x 2/ SMS Awaiting Trinnov
Millenium dts decoder;Digital Director
Players: Tascam CD01U/SonyCX455 x 3/DV955/BDP83
Old Sony 60" SXRD TV
Zone 2 (also liv-Room: listening to music while Mrs watches TV): Crown SL2 preamp/D40 Amp/Stax Headphones



My "Man-cave":
4 channel-only inline room. No TV (thank heaven)!!!
990/755/4-KEF 107s
Tascam CD01U/dts decoder/digital director
Alesis 16x4x2 mixer
Recorders Alesis HD24/ML9600/Crown CX844s/SonyDAT/Tascam DA38
Ham Radio Shack (KB1STH) ICOM/Yaesu/Drakes x 3

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#58575 - 03/16/06 12:49 PM Re: 7500 plus two 2200's later
NRBQLou Offline
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Registered: 02/22/03
Posts: 122
Loc: Denver, CO USA
I also have the 755 and (2)200 combo (pushing the 990) in a 7.1 configuration - I've tried the 200's running the rear surrounds and the front LR mains, and couldn't really detect any difference...you do get an extra helping of spaghetti in the back of your rig as compared to the 7700, of course
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#58576 - 03/16/06 06:40 PM Re: 7500 plus two 2200's later
ZoFo Offline
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Registered: 12/29/05
Posts: 35
I went through the same decession and ended up getting a 7700 even though I only use 5 channels at this time, thought about the 7500 and adding a couple of mono blocks down the road but I have already filled my new 7 shelf AV rack. I not only wanted the ability to expand to 7 channels when I move into a new house but can also use these two extra channels to power a Zone 2 or to bi-amp my mains. Just like guns and money, channels are another thing you just cannot have too much of!
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#58577 - 03/16/06 07:19 PM Re: 7500 plus two 2200's later
nfaguys Offline
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Registered: 04/09/05
Posts: 500
Loc: Maine
Hey Gonk or other outlaws:

What do you think about the "sharing of power" as I pointed out above, citing Scott.
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Living Room:
5.1 Surround and 4channel inline room
990/7700/6-KEF-107s/LFM1 x 2/ SMS Awaiting Trinnov
Millenium dts decoder;Digital Director
Players: Tascam CD01U/SonyCX455 x 3/DV955/BDP83
Old Sony 60" SXRD TV
Zone 2 (also liv-Room: listening to music while Mrs watches TV): Crown SL2 preamp/D40 Amp/Stax Headphones



My "Man-cave":
4 channel-only inline room. No TV (thank heaven)!!!
990/755/4-KEF 107s
Tascam CD01U/dts decoder/digital director
Alesis 16x4x2 mixer
Recorders Alesis HD24/ML9600/Crown CX844s/SonyDAT/Tascam DA38
Ham Radio Shack (KB1STH) ICOM/Yaesu/Drakes x 3

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#58578 - 03/16/06 07:24 PM Re: 7500 plus two 2200's later
Ritz Offline
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Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 547
Loc: NJ/Beijing
It's what I've been saying all along. In addition to just being a better amp in general (the 2200/200 is just not that great), the very much larger output transformer of the multichannel amps can dump a lot more current into any given channel when they're all not being driven to max levels simultaneously (which probably rarely happens except on the test bench). So if you're listening to stereo programming the tranformer is sitting on a lot of excess capacity that it can bring to bear on the 2 channels actually being driven.

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#58579 - 03/16/06 09:38 PM Re: 7500 plus two 2200's later
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Gunslinger

Registered: 06/07/03
Posts: 164
Loc: Conyers,GA,USA
Ritz,

I have noticed many post by you knocking the 200/2200, "the 2200/200 is just not that great". What experience have you had with either amp? Have you compared them with the Your 755. If you have some listening comparasion data please share it, or are you just bench listening?

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#58580 - 03/16/06 10:43 PM Re: 7500 plus two 2200's later
gonk Offline
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Registered: 03/21/01
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I don't have any doubt that sharing a larger transformer can provide benefit to power-hungry main or center speakers. On the other hand, if your budget is getting tight and you don't plan to add two more speakers for a long while, if you buy five channels now (with a 7500) and add a pair of M2200's to drive surround back speakers, you'll be using 200-watt monoblocks to drive surrounds that will be asked to do far less than the mains and center. In that scenario, even very inefficient surrounds would never call for more power than a 200-watt monoblock could provide. If postponing the purchase of those last two channels lets you buy nicer speakers or a better surround processor or some new DVD's (or groceries) now, I think you'd be better served with that now and in the long term.
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