Ritz:

What evidence is there that ATI "Created" Outlaw? The Outlaws clearly state that their first, and most subsequent, amps come from ATI, but Outlaw and ATI would appear to clearly be two separate entities. If ATI owned OUtlaw, why would Outlaw be in Mass, not in California? Look at the ATI processors -- they are nothing near the Outlaws.

As to AVS, there is always someone there to pitch manure at any brand, including OUtlaw (and AV123 and others) and in many cases, yes, by people who have never heard, let alone owned Outlaw (or the brand they are bashing's) products.

That's life in the internet "value priced" product world!