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#57053 - 01/03/06 03:10 PM 990 IR output
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I'm having trouble getting the 990 IR output to operate a CD player behind a closed cabinet door. I used an old flasher from my reciever that the 990 replaced, and it didn't work. I bought a niles flasher, and it isn't working either. I was wondering if anyone else has run into difficulty with the IR output.

Todd

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#57054 - 01/03/06 03:27 PM Re: 990 IR output
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I haven't used the IR output, but the IR input requires a special interface module (for Xantech, it's a 794-10 interface module). You may want to give Outlaw support a call - they probably have more detailed information than I do about what hardware is compatible with the IR output.
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#57055 - 02/02/06 11:22 PM Re: 990 IR output
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Registered: 11/26/05
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Loc: Minneapolis
Late add to thread...but I'll give it a try.
T-bag, did you ever get your IR output to work? I can't get mine to work either, and have tried several things (different emitters, with/without output to a connecting block, stereo/mono connectors).
Has anyone out there gotten the IR output to work on a 990? Most of the info/posts out there on IR seem to be on controlling the 990 with the IR input, vs sending IR through it or using the 990 as an IR receiver.

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#57056 - 02/03/06 11:56 AM Re: 990 IR output
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nope, never got it to work, and never heard back from tech support about my problem, but they were dealing with the bass management thread at the same time...

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#57057 - 02/03/06 09:54 PM Re: 990 IR output
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Loc: Minneapolis
Tech support replied to me, but the response wasn't helpful; I don't think they understood that I don't care about the IR input and just want the IR output to work. Or they don't know how to get it to work. Or it doesn't work. 'Not a huge issue but it would be nice to get it working. I have tried: mono-plug emitter plugged in directly; stereo output to Xantech CB60 Connecting Block; mono output to CB60. I also tried sending signals straight through in various configurations but couldn't get it to work (I couldn't even get the signals to pass through - the 990 ~blocked them). I have a few more experiments I may run.

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#57058 - 02/21/06 06:59 PM Re: 990 IR output
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Registered: 02/21/06
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Loc: Vancouver
I'm trying to interface my 990 with my Xantech system. The IR OUT does not work. Did you guys find resolution for the problem?

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#57059 - 02/21/06 07:06 PM Re: 990 IR output
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krisdz - You need the Xantech 794-10 interface module gonk mentioned above, I assume any output would require a similar (same?) module.
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#57060 - 02/22/06 05:37 PM Re: 990 IR output
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I think I'm missing something here (don't be shocked). I thought the 990's remote in/out jacks allowed for direct connections of receivers and emitters (respectively). In my experience, a Pre/Pro or receiver that acts as a "passthrough" for IR signals already supports the necessary bandwidth and voltage specs for the signal (38Khz std, I think). Since a block simply provides the necessary power and distribution, it's superfluous in conjuntion with the 990 unless you're sending the signal through more than one emitter cable.

Anyone know what the manual says?
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#57061 - 02/22/06 05:52 PM Re: 990 IR output
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My experience with the 990's IR input has been similar to my experience with my Pace cable box's IR input - it isn't getting quite the same signal format as an IR sensor does, so a simple distribution block's output doesn't work. Instead, it appears to be using a separate communication format of some sort, which is where the interface module comes in. I got the Xantech interface module model number from Scott, and I suspect he could chase up similar module numbers for other IR distribution manufacturers.
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#57062 - 02/22/06 07:30 PM Re: 990 IR output
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Thanks, gonk, that was very helpful. I found the the items you mentioned on Xantech's site, but strangely enough I've never seen these items carried in any of the stores/webstores I've visited that carry Xantech.

I've worked on comparable products from Parasound and B&K that didn't run into this incompatibility. Even though the argument could be made that this isn't Outlaw's problem, I would think this is something Outlaw would want to document in some way, since they do mention the manufacturers by name.
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#57063 - 02/22/06 10:08 PM Re: 990 IR output
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The manual implys that you can just connect an emitter to the IR output and any IR signal that hits the receiver window on the 990 will be sent along out the IR output to the emitter. But I couldn't get that to work in various combinations of emitters / connection block.

The use of the 794-10 to interface with the 990 input seems well documented in the Saloon, but I haven't found any evidence of anyone being sucessful getting the IR output to work. I had given up...but since krisdz reopened this I do have one more thing to try this weekend.

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#57064 - 02/23/06 12:39 PM Re: 990 IR output
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Registered: 02/21/06
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Loc: Vancouver
I talked to the Steve from Outlaw and seem to me that he doesn’t know what I’m talking about. He mentioned that I should use flasher with stereo plug not mono. Then he retreat and say that I need use Xantech 794 (the INPUT connecting block). So far I know they have no clue what they build. Outlaw is using the Sherwood P-965 design so I call Sherwood and guess what? They have no clue either.
My question is why they releasing a product which can’t be supported. The team or person who designs it has something in mind when developed it.
We are not talking here about time and space relativity or how to build space shuttles.
It is just simple IR OUTPUT JACK for crying out loud.
Regards and best wishes to all Outlaw and Sherwood scientists who design something what is such a mystery. I think we should create foundation to solve the big UNKNOWN IR OUT PORT problem.
Kris

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#57065 - 03/21/06 11:04 PM Re: 990 IR output
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Registered: 11/26/05
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Loc: Minneapolis
Well I did try one more thing (powering the connection block at the top of its current range) and still cannot get the IR Output to work. So the UNKNOWN IR OUT PORT (UIOP) problem will remain a mystery. I didn't try connecting the port to a meter or scope to see if it passes any sort of signal at all...I suppose that would be the next research step.

If anyone happens to open up their 990 (including Outlaw), take a look to see if it is connected to anything. In the meantime I am using the more-expensive and less asthetically-pleasing workaround of a separate IR system.

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