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#55831 - 09/02/05 12:44 PM 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
Leggers Offline
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Well I've been piecing together my setup and just got the Oppo OPDV971H with the DVI output. So I installed through the 990 DVI switching setup. Pictures fine sound fine but now the 990 wont respond to the remote! Hey what, so I turn off the Oppo and it resonds normally again. Unplug the DVI and use the component from the Oppo also works fine.
I even tried a different DVI cable but the same effect. So what is to blame? Have other people with the Oppo noticed this? or is it my 990.
I have another DVI piece I need to hook up but I have to take it out of my other setup first.

Thanks for any help. Greg.
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#55832 - 09/02/05 01:22 PM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
Rob Faulkner Offline
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I have the same DVD and 990 hooked up thru DVI. I have experienced no problems here.

-Rob

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#55833 - 09/02/05 01:23 PM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
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That's a rather bizarre situation - I've been running the DVI signal from my Oppo through the 990 for several months now and have used it quite a bit without running into this. I've got a small IR distribution set up, but the 990 gets its signal from an IR emitter mounted in front of the sensor window so it is acting just the same as a regular "remote straight to device" arrangement would. Since it's only happening when the Oppo is on, it must relate somehow to having a signal coming to the 990's DVI input.

If you haven't done so already, let Outlaw know about this one (either at 866-688-5292 or here ). The 990/Oppo combination has been steadily more and more common, and I'm sure they'd be interested to hear about your situation.
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#55834 - 09/02/05 02:07 PM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
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I have a similar issue (I think). When I'm listening to a CD and I turn on my LCD panel to access the setup screen OSD, it interrupts the audio output for a few seconds. That's just from powering the panel on and off.
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#55835 - 09/02/05 02:19 PM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
RW Offline
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Registered: 07/08/05
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I bought the Oppo by mid July 1 week after I received the 990, I had the problem that the remote control of Oppo could not turn on/off the player and everytime I had to walk up to manually press the on/off button but I did not have interference problem with 990 remote as your case, reinstalling the Oppo firmware as instructed would not help at all, finally a replacement Oppo unit solved this problem. What I want to say here is I had problem with the Oppo's remote before. If you have another remote control that can learn and replace the Oppo remote, maybe it worth to try, chance is that the problem comes from Oppo remote/player. Pardon me for my bias of leaning toward 990 side.

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#55836 - 09/02/05 02:35 PM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
gonk Offline
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What process do you go through when turning on the panel, Ritz? I think that if you are switching back to control of the CD player (or DVD player) and in doing so "re-select" that input, the 990 stops and re-acquire the signal.

The simplest work-around, which I use sometimes with my MX-700 because most of the device buttons on the MAIN screen double as macros, is to cover the remote's emitter when hopping back and forth between devices. An alternative for MX-500 and MX-700 users is to put a button on the source device's page to turn the TV on (which I also do - every device has a "TV ON" button handy just in case).
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#55837 - 09/02/05 02:39 PM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
PodBoy Offline
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Registered: 05/09/05
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Ritz: What CD player (or DVD for CD playback) are you using?

(Just a post to push the Podmeister to 100!)

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#55838 - 09/02/05 03:13 PM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
Leggers Offline
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Registered: 09/02/05
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This is not an Oppo remote problem but the remote for the 990 doesn't opperate the 990 any more when the Oppo is on, turn off the Oppo and it does.
How do I check the Oppo to see what firmware it does have, I just got it direct from them so I would hope it is the latest whatever that is?
I spoke with Outlaw tech and he says there is no way that this should/could be happening and believes that I must be inadvertently commanding the remote to opperate another devise. So he says make sure I press the TNR button before trying to use it. I will check this (I'm doubtful as it goes away mearly by powering off the Oppo and I have the Volume punch through set up so at least the volume should work) I will also try and attach my HD tuner which is DVI to see if this does the same thing, and try switching the DVI from 1 to 2 for the Oppo.
Is there any problems with DVI cables that might need to be checked there are so many types and I'm not sure what the difference between them might cause (i.e. Single link, Double link, I or D)
Looks like a frustrating w/e ahead.

Greg
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#55839 - 09/02/05 03:23 PM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
gonk Offline
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If it came from Oppo, it should have the latest firmware. To check, here are the instructions from Oppo's support page (which lists the latest version):
  • Press Setup on the remote controller
  • Enter 9210 on the remote controller
  • A menu will pop up to show the firmware version of the OPPO player.

I agree with the Outlaw tech in principle: the Oppo's on/off status should not affect the 990's IR sensor or ability to receive remote commands. The operative word there, however, is "should" - and strange things can happen sometimes. I think the list of things to check is a good one, and I would probably not include the DVI cable on your list (I have both a dual link and single link in my system - single link provided by Oppo between it and the 990 and a dual link from the 990 to the TV). Let us know what you find.
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#55840 - 09/02/05 03:49 PM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
Rob Faulkner Offline
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Does anyone have a code for the 990 remote to run the Oppo DVD?

-Rob

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#55841 - 09/02/05 05:19 PM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
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The in-laws are here and watching Braveheart...for the umpteenth time. grrr...when they're done, I'll document the steps to repeat the problem.

Pardon me while I go drink heavily and sulk in another room. 8-)

Cheers,
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#55842 - 09/02/05 06:15 PM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
assid Offline
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I have the same gear as you and have not experienced this problem.
Have you tried to hook the DVI cable from the Oppo to the other DVI input on the 990? That would trouble shoot a little anyways...
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#55843 - 09/02/05 06:38 PM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
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Hang in there, Ritz... smile
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#55844 - 09/02/05 06:41 PM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
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Can't help myself, though I'm sure you've heard this before: Sounds like Ritz is going crackers!

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#55845 - 09/02/05 07:47 PM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
Mike in Virginia Offline
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Well, it looks like he's got such a nice system that he's "putting on the Ritz" for his inlaws.
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#55846 - 09/02/05 08:22 PM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
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Hehe...Mike, don't quit your day job. 8-)
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#55847 - 09/03/05 12:41 PM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
Leggers Offline
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Registered: 09/02/05
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Loc: Saint Louis
Well I tried several changes last night.
Tried moving the Oppo to the other DVI same problem, turn on the Oppo remote doesn't work, turn it off and it works again.

Hooked up my HD receiver through the other DVI turn that on and same problem, although it does respond a little bit, but might loop, vol down and it suddenly goes way down. Allmost like the "blocking" signal is not quite as strong on that piece.

Disconnected the DVI out from the back of the 990 so just have the 2 DVI in's hooked up. Still same problem.

So I guess there must be something up with my 990 as I seem to be the only one with this issue.

I'll try tech support again and see if the have any other possible solutions.
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#55848 - 09/03/05 01:28 PM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
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So any time you have a video signal coming in to your 990, the remote control effectively ceases to work. And I'm assuming that you are not using any sort of IR system that ties into one of the rear IR inputs - that you are just beaming signals to the front sensor. I can't explain why it is behaving this way, but it is not inherent to the 990's design - may be an odd defect in your unit... I suspect that the Outlaws will get you sorted out.
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#55849 - 09/03/05 03:42 PM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
Leggers Offline
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Its works fine with the component input, and the picture and sound do function when I use the DVI input. Its just then that the remote can't change anything, no volume up or down, no menu (obviously on the other input of the TV as there is no menu through DVI) when pointed directly at the unit. I have to turn the DVI source off for it to function properly again then menu and volume resume working again.
I'm still inside my initial trial so I don't know if I should expect a replacement unit.

Thanks
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#55850 - 09/03/05 06:02 PM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
gonk Offline
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Give 'em a call when they get back into the office on Tuesday - given the opportunity to do so and in light of the troubleshooting you've done, they'll get you taken care of somehow.
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#55851 - 09/29/05 09:42 AM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
Terrapinion Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Rob Faulkner:
Does anyone have a code for the 990 remote to run the Oppo DVD?

-Rob
Hi Rob,

Did you get an answer to your question? I've been trying to figure out the same thing. The information on the Oppo website seems to mainly concern higher-end third party remotes.

Please drop me a line if you figure it out.

Thanks,
Terrapin

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#55852 - 10/07/05 12:12 AM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
deton8r Offline
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I'm currently running a Samsung HD-DV931 DVD player through the DVI input of my 990. The Sammy is heading south fast and I've been looking into the Oppo. Since a couple of you have DV971H, can you confirm if it lives up to the hype?

Thanks in advance

The fix for the remote problem is to replace it with a Pronto or equivalent. I do not like the 990 remote and upgraded to a MX-3000. The only downside was that I had to program it from scratch because I couldn't find the discrete codes. Good luck laugh

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#55853 - 10/07/05 12:21 AM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
gonk Offline
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The Oppo is an excellent player - it does its best work with really good transfers, but even mediocre transfers look as good as you're likely to get without spending a lot more than the Oppo's $200 price tag.
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#55854 - 10/07/05 12:50 AM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
deton8r Offline
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Thanks! I just pulled the trigger on the Oppo. It will interesting to see how it compares to the HD931 which also has the Faroudja DCDi chipset.

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#55855 - 10/07/05 08:19 AM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
Ritz Offline
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Det,

How is the Samsung "heading south?" I've got an older version (the HD841...actually 2 of them...one has been extensively modified) and both have been running like a champ.

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#55856 - 10/08/05 02:02 AM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
deton8r Offline
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My Samsung DV HD931 is having issue with some dual layer DVDs when it cuts over to the 2nd layer usually about 1/2 through a movie. When it first started happening I thought the DVDs were flawed. Since I have a couple years on the Sammy with lots of hours, the laser output may be decreasing. I cleaned the lens and that didn't help any. I have a Pioneer Elite DV45A and that reads the DVDs the Sammy has issues with perfectly.

Except for the lame remote and slow response time of the buttons, I've been very happy with the DV931.

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#55857 - 10/13/05 02:53 AM Re: 990 DVI Blocks remote signal.
deton8r Offline
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Got the Oppo DV971H hooked up the 990 tonight via DVI. No issues with the remote. I even tried the Outlaw remote in addition to my MX-3000.

This Oppo DVD remote really needs a backlight mad Other than that, I really like it. I can't say the video quality is nay better than the HD931 but it's definitely a more flexible unit with the DIVX support and all.

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