jed i was actually waitingfor your input ... i ve seen u in other forums .. av123// now i read in one thread they were using a new motorola chip ..?? but nobody really knows .. it seems also that a lot of newcastle 9080 pre pro s are on ebay all the sudden .. maybe 990 buyers .. i see ATI is coming out with a ATP 6500 that is closer to the price range of the 990 prob 1500 +or - they say 1799 i believe on their site but usually a bit less.. 7 year warr. !! ati makes great amps but there prepros have always been way out of my $ range .. i think outlaw has brought to the electronics corps of america that reciever s arent all we want .. it seemed a gap in the last 5 years in real prepro production at the afordable level 500 to 1700 or so..some high high end folks were still at it but .. i wish emotiva luck we need more choices in prepros ..