One question re OSD:

The manual indicates the following:

"if both s-video and composite video signals are input into the Model 990, the OSD can be viewed only through the S-Video jack"

I wanted to use an LCD Monitor for all video output at the location of the 990 (much like the video lcd display on the front of some preamps like the HALO or Rotel preamps), in addition to the normal SVideo and Componant output to a Front Projector.

Can I use the composite output for the LCD monitor, to have any tv or menu displays always appear on the LCD "monitor," at the same time as normal video is being output to the Front Projector via the componant and SVideo Video outputs??

If not, then would it be necessary to "Y" connect the S-Video output to both the front projector and the LCD monitor?

Anyone???

I am suprised that noone has tried to use the 990 in this way. I think it would be VERY useful to have an lcd monitor adjacent to the 990, as a "monitor" of whatever video is being sent to the actual displays. (as noted, similar to the Rotel and Halo preamps).

Anyway, still uncertain how such a monitor would connect, if the s-video and componant outputs are going to actual displays. (ie Y-connect for svideo, or using the composite video out).

Anyone have any info on this??

CI, I will let you know about the composite connection to an 8 inch LCD I use for viewing DVD-A menus from my Denon 3910. This LCD has 2 composite inputs and I am hoping to use one for DVD-A and the other for on-screen menu on the Outlaw.

I am setting this system up this weekend.

The way that passage from the manual reads, I would expect that both outputs would work for the incoming video, but the OSD menu would only be generated for the s-video monitor output. That would suggest that you could monitor the video at both the LCD monitor and the front projector, but only get the menu at the projector.

Question, though. Since the 990 will convert any analog source to component and display the OSD menu on component, is the s-video run to the projector necessary? If you left it disconnected and only used the component video, you should be able to get everything except component inputs on the LCD monitor.

This may be off the main topic, but I was fooling around with the OSD settings and with component only, I am unable to have the OSD show up on Video (Edit) 5, component Sat feed; yet it pops up on DVD and other inputs...

I can't get the OSD to appear on my component output either (to an InFocus Projector). I only have my XBox hooked up to the DVD component input and haven't tried any other source or component input, but so far it's a minor annoyance. Could be a bigger one for others, though.

Rick

Thanks all for the replies....

Gonk, point well taken re using both, I didn't make it clear that the s-video is ALSO routed to a television in another room.

The way it seems, the only solution would be the Y-Connect, from the s-video to both the projector and tv AND lcd monitor. The composite would be rendered useless as far as the OSD is concerned (a shame that all video couldn't simple be routed out of all non-DVI video outputs, including the OSD)....

That's "simply" not simple... (it is very early here... ;-) ).

Barnabus, I am indeed curious if it would work for you. I just reread the passage, and realized that perhaps the OSD WILL output from BOTH the s-video AND the composite outputs (and the component output as well) IF the video signal coming INTO the 990 is EITHER s-video or composite, but not both.

Thus, the question becomes:

Can you input COMPONENT video AND S-Video to the 990, and have the OSD and Video signals output from the S-Video and the component video at the same time (as long as there is no composite input to the 990 happening)?? If this is possible, than one could use a local monitor at the 990 for the video and OSD, at the same time as the 990 is outputting both s-video and component video to the projector and tv.

Does this seem correct???

I'm a little wary of splitting video with a y-adapter because I'm afraid you'll lose signal strength and get a diminished picture, but I haven't actually tried it so I'm not sure what it would do. Would it make any sense to feed the TV in the other room from the zone 2 output? That would give you independent source and volume control for that other room, if that is appealing.

OK, I just tried my one s-video source (an old Dreamcast). Fortunately, I have s-video and composite video monitor outputs hooked up just for the heck of it. When the TV is on video1 (the s-video monitor output), the video comes through along with the OSD (both setup menu and pop-up). When the TV is on video2 (the composite monitor output), I get the same - full OSD support. Keep in mind that this is with an s-video source. I don't have a composite source to test, and of course a component source will not step down to either s-video or composite video monitor outputs.

I agree with gonk about splitting the signal. There is a question I have. On my Denon 3805, I had no video hooked to it except for an S-Video "Monitor Out" connection to the Sammy for OSD. When you look at the rear panel on page 8 of the manual, there is a composite video out near the RS-232 jack labeled #8. I assume this should give the OSD. I will have no video inputs hooked to the 990 at all. I have a Dtronix 2 way DVD switch for Cable and DVD already installed.

Does this sound right about that composite connection for OSD or am I missing something?

I don't care about OSD during normal operation, just need OSD for accessing the menu for programming.

Gonk...Thanks for the extremely helpful (as usual) info.

I didn't want to use the zone 2, as both tvs use full 7.1....

Anyhow, it would seem that my hypothesis was correct in that without both s-video AND composite inputs, both the s-video and composite outputs will indeed display video and OSD.

This seems to be what that phrase in the manual intended to convey......

Banabas, we must have posted at the same time. Just missed reading your entry, but as noted it seems that as long as there is no composite input, OSD and video will both display accross the s-video and component outputs, at the same time.

So if I hook up my llittle LCD to Composite out, I can get the OSD menu?

It would seem so...as long as there is no composite INPUT happening at the same time.

Thanks CI, no inputs so I should be able to do this. I have always wondered why I kept all those cheap yellow ended cables in the closet. Now I have use for two of them; one for dvd and one for the 990

Yes, you should get the OSD menu on composite.

I searched the manual and found the passage cited by CI, because the idea of composite output only offering the menu if the input is not composite seemed just too weird. Context is important... Page 10 discusses the on screen display. If you connect a source with both composite and s-video cables, only the s-video input will get the OSD. And since both are connected, presumably there is no s-video to composite cross-conversion, so when on that input the composite monitor out will not get OSD data. If all of your sources use either one or the other (not both), then you should always get OSD on both the composite and s-video monitor outputs.

Gonk..leave it to you to make sense of the manual !


You probably did well in school with those questions like... "..if a train travels to Chicago at 67 MPH, how many hours would it take to travel for 643 miles on the return trip???..... ;-))

I understand that S-Video will overide the cOSD Component signal. My issue is, I am not running S-Video at all and I still cannot get the OSD to word on Video 5 using a composite feed.

I've tried everything I can think of.

How do you have it hooked up? Composite in to Video 5 and s-video out to the display? Maybe we can get some troubleshooting done.