Outlaw Audio home shop products hideout news support about
Page 3 of 5 < 1 2 3 4 5 >
Topic Options
#5276 - 02/27/03 10:12 PM Re: Bi-Wiring benefits for....
steves Offline
Desperado

Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 356
Loc: Oregon
That's a good one charlie, but my favorite has to be those "hockey pucks" (forget what they are called) you place on your speakers/equipment. Say-- how do you like the Emperor's new clothes?

Top
#5277 - 02/27/03 11:38 PM Re: Bi-Wiring benefits for....
soundhound Offline
Desperado

Registered: 04/10/02
Posts: 1857
Loc: Gusev Crater, Mars
Are you referring to those "shatki stones" things? My all time favorite were those adhesive "dots" that you placed on things, even in the room to improve the sound.

Top
#5278 - 02/28/03 09:52 AM Re: Bi-Wiring benefits for....
steves Offline
Desperado

Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 356
Loc: Oregon
That's it! Adhesive dots, huh? That's good.

Top
#5279 - 02/28/03 11:26 PM Re: Bi-Wiring benefits for....
Paul J. Stiles Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 05/24/02
Posts: 279
Loc: Mountain View, CA, USofA
My hearing is so sensitive, I can hear things that don't exist.

Paul

------------------
the 1derful1

p.s.

Here is a link that desccribes some benefits and disadvantages of bi-wiring.

http://www.sonicdesign.se/biwire.html

[This message has been edited by Paul J. Stiles (edited March 01, 2003).]
_________________________
the 1derful1

Top
#5280 - 03/15/03 11:37 PM Re: Bi-Wiring benefits for....
pleary Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 03/15/03
Posts: 22
Loc: Plano, TX, US
One of the most rational explanations that I've read with respect to the improvements caused by bi-wiring came from the XLO Electric web site (http://www.xloelectric.com/technicalsupport.php#a10).

In a nutshell, they attribute any improvement from bi-wiring to the removal of the stamped, brass straps that are typically used to connect the high and low side of the crossover when not bi-wiring.

Top
#5281 - 03/16/03 12:37 AM Re: Bi-Wiring benefits for....
charlie Offline
Desperado

Registered: 01/14/02
Posts: 1176
So they say it fixes something that being equiped for bi-wire caused? A '10' for creativity at the very least I'd say!
_________________________
Charlie

Top
#5282 - 03/16/03 09:08 AM Re: Bi-Wiring benefits for....
pleary Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 03/15/03
Posts: 22
Loc: Plano, TX, US
Yeah, sort of...

If the high and low sections of the xover are intended to be fed separately, then the only way for the speaker to work if you don't have bi-wire cables is to use a jumper (or the commonly supplied brass straps) across the binding posts. Perhaps brass straps aren't great conductors for this purpose.

The conclusion that I'd draw from this (and the one that XLO offers) is that you could replace the brass straps with good-quality wire jumpers and be fine.

As with many other things audio, I suspect that there may be some measureable differences (improvements?) that you could attribute to the bi-wire capability, but whether those differences are audible or not is another matter.

I've never taken the time to A/B my speakers both ways -- I've always bi-wireed at the recommendation of the speaker manufacturer.

Top
#5283 - 03/16/03 11:34 AM Re: Bi-Wiring benefits for....
charlie Offline
Desperado

Registered: 01/14/02
Posts: 1176
It still makes no sense to me. Even though the material is a worse conductor than copper, the run is so short the resistance should be very, very low. Also, the straps I've seen were pretty husky, so even on a poor material, resistance will be proportional to length and inversely proportional to cross section.

I don't have speaker wire - the crossovers on my speakers extend back to the amp, so what do I know?

EDIT: [spelling]

[This message has been edited by charlie (edited March 16, 2003).]
_________________________
Charlie

Top
#5284 - 03/16/03 10:18 PM Re: Bi-Wiring benefits for....
D'Arbignal Offline
Desperado

Registered: 02/23/03
Posts: 327
Loc: NJ, USA
Check out this analysis of bi-wiring:http://www.pcavtech.com/techtalk/biwire/index.htm . It's bunk. Save your cash and buy some CDs and DVDs.

Jeff


[This message has been edited by D'Arbignal (edited March 16, 2003).]

Top
#5285 - 06/17/03 06:01 PM Re: Bi-Wiring benefits for....
Larry Fine Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 06/12/03
Posts: 19
Loc: Richmond, Va, USA
My humble opinion is:

Any benefit or detriment of bi-wiring must be dependent upon impedance of the wire itself, and even then, would be overwhelmingly resistive in nature, with little or no measureable reactance, even skin effect.

That has to be the difference between bi-wiring and merely parallelling the same two lengths of wire. I do have trouble believing that the supposed disadvantage of bi-wiring really matters.

Having said all that, when I made my in-wall stack and ran new speaker wires (and sub line-level interconnects) in the wall, I bi-wired for a few reasons:

1) I had a spool of 14 gauge handy, and felt that, for my power levels and wire lengths, a heavier gauge would be desirable. I could have merely parallelled, I suppose, but.....

2) My amps have two sets of terminals (with a slight difference) on most channels, Bob suggests trying it, and my speakers have two (three-actually) sets of terminals, plus.....

3) I could, and there was no good reason not to.

The most audible difference I made was using full-range pre-amp outputs (which the speaker maker suggests) instead of LFE outputs to drive the sub amps.



------------------
Larry Fine
www.fineelectricco.com
My system
_________________________
Larry Fine
www.fineelectricco.com
My system

Top
Page 3 of 5 < 1 2 3 4 5 >

Who's Online
0 registered (), 53 Guests and 1 Spider online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
audio123, Dustin _69c10, Dain, REP, caffeinated
8717 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
FAUguy 2
butchgo 1
Forum Stats
8,717 Registered Members
88 Forums
11,331 Topics
98,703 Posts

Most users ever online: 677 @ 09/27/24 06:41 PM