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#52572 - 04/27/05 04:50 PM couple questions
braidkid Offline
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Does the 990 have all those silly "hall" and "church" sound effects? I really don't want to pay for something I'll never use.
Also, anyone know the brand of DAC's used in the 990?
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#52573 - 04/27/05 05:17 PM Re: couple questions
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I don't believe that the 990 will have DSP modes like "hall" or "jazz club" - the Model 950 left those off at the near-unanimous request of the forum three years ago, and I've heard no mention of them returning for the 990 or the 1070. As for the DAC's, the FAQ indicates that it is using Analog Devices 1852 24/192 DAC for all channels and Analog Devices 1896 Asynchronous Sample Rate Converter for stereo up-conversion.
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#52574 - 04/27/05 05:53 PM Re: couple questions
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Is Analog Devices the brand name of DAC used like burr-brown, etc?
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#52575 - 04/27/05 06:02 PM Re: couple questions
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#52576 - 04/27/05 06:09 PM Re: couple questions
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Reading the .pdf on the 1852 DAC shows it's no slouch.

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#52577 - 04/27/05 06:21 PM Re: couple questions
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Wow, just saw that this same DAC is used in Meridian processors as well!!! I bet it really is no slouch indeed!!
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#52578 - 04/27/05 09:06 PM Re: couple questions
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Originally posted by braidkid:
Does the 990 have all those silly "hall" and "church" sound effects?
For those people who would like to recreate those effects they can do so by cutting the bottom out of styrofoam cups and using them over their ears. Just in case you know anyone who just has to have them. wink
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#52579 - 04/28/05 08:51 AM Re: couple questions
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Originally posted by MeanGene:
Quote:
Originally posted by braidkid:
[b] Does the 990 have all those silly "hall" and "church" sound effects?
For those people who would like to recreate those effects they can do so by cutting the bottom out of styrofoam cups and using them over their ears. Just in case you know anyone who just has to have them. wink [/b]
Aw man! Nobody told me that. I went out and bought a church, jazz club, and aircraft hanger. Stupid audio industry.. you always buy something and then 6 months later, an upgrade comes out!

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#52580 - 04/28/05 07:04 PM Re: couple questions
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Yes, the Styrofoam cup mod can save you a lot of money, but watch out for the reverb mode, many people have become dizzy and hurt themselves in that mode. Please remain seated while in this mode.

Note: For those not up on the latest technique, this requires you to oscillate your head left and right in a rhythmic pattern with cups installed.
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#52581 - 04/28/05 07:23 PM Re: couple questions
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I think the dizziness and injury come from emptying the cups of adult beverages before donning them on ones ears. laugh Not that I have any experience in these matters or anything, ahem.
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#52582 - 04/29/05 08:20 AM Re: couple questions
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I don't have much use for synthesized DSP music modes either, but some basic user-controlled DSP funcionality is important for those of us who listen to acoustic music recorded in a live environment and want to approximate a concert hall experience. To do that from a two-channel recording, you must be able to control the delay and high frequency contouring of the surrounds, not just the volume. More delay: bigger hall; bigger hall: more high frequency rolloff required. Read Lexicon's white papers on the subject.

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#52583 - 05/04/05 02:31 PM Re: couple questions
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I've noticed the 990 is "upgradeable." Does this mean it will be able to decode any new processing that may come out in the next few years (ie. HD-DVD, blu-ray, etc). Is this simply a software upgrade or is a hardware upgrade needed for these future enhancements? If this requires a hardware upgrade, is the 990 hardware upgradeable?
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#52584 - 05/04/05 02:45 PM Re: couple questions
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That's my biggest issue. I don't see how the unit can be outfitted with HDMI or iLink to process audio in the future if either becomes a standard. And an HDMI - DVI adapter is useless for audio.

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#52585 - 05/04/05 02:55 PM Re: couple questions
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The 990's RS-232/USB port does allow for software updates to address issues like programming bugs (rare, but always a risk with something this complex) and to add newer features that are compatible with the hardware. Outlaw's 990 FAQ hints at the potential for a future software upgrade that would add auto EQ to the automatic setup system, for example. Processing modes that are likely to appear with whatever HD optical disc format we end up with are almost certainly a different matter. There's been a great deal of discussion about this issue in other threads, but here's a brief recap. HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, or whatever unified standard might crop up soon will use HDMI for video and audio. Outlaw used DVI instead of HDMI because the video standard shared by the two is well established, whereas the audio standard for HDMI is a very moving target - hardware off the shelf today (HDMI 1.1) has a very great risk of not being compatible with the audio standard used by future HDMI versions (the versions that will support SACD, Dolby Digital Plus, and whatever other formats might crop up when HD optical disc arrives). Support for audio from HD optical disc players would most likely have to happen via the 7.1 direct input.
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#52586 - 05/04/05 03:57 PM Re: couple questions
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Support for audio from HD optical disc players would most likely have to happen via the 7.1 direct input. [/QB]
By "direct input" do you mean using analog inputs and allowing the DVD player decode the new format?
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#52587 - 05/04/05 04:10 PM Re: couple questions
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Exactly - the 990 includes a 7.1 channel analog input. HD optical disc players (when they arrive, and whatever name the format(s) happen to be) will share a general trait with the early DVD players - onboard decoding for the newly-developed audio format or formats. When DVD players appeared, very few people's receivers supported Dolby Digital and DTS was essentially unheard of. Most of those early DVD players included onboard Dolby Digital decodes so that receivers with six-channel analog inputs could give users access to the DD 5.1 soundtracks that were one of DVD's big selling points.
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#52588 - 05/04/05 06:03 PM Re: couple questions
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Originally posted by gonk:
Exactly - the 990 includes a 7.1 channel analog input. HD optical disc players (when they arrive, and whatever name the format(s) happen to be) will share a general trait with the early DVD players - onboard decoding for the newly-developed audio format or formats. When DVD players appeared, very few people's receivers supported Dolby Digital and DTS was essentially unheard of. Most of those early DVD players included onboard Dolby Digital decodes so that receivers with six-channel analog inputs could give users access to the DD 5.1 soundtracks that were one of DVD's big selling points.
Not being an old-timer in the multi-channel world (but an old-timer in the real world) - how did these early DVD decoders perform? Once the processor/receiver world caught up to the new technologies, did they perform the task better? Or was it more of a cabling/switching advantage?

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#52589 - 05/05/05 01:01 PM Re: couple questions
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"Not being an old-timer in the multi-channel world (but an old-timer in the real world) - how did these early DVD decoders perform? Once the processor/receiver world caught up to the new technologies, did they perform the task better? Or was it more of a cabling/switching advantage?"

Normal budget DVD players, etc, that did DD DTS decoding never did as good of a job than outboard processor's.

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