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#52469 - 04/25/05 08:47 PM Re: protocols :i-link/HDMI/DVI/SACD/DSD etc
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John which Auto-EQ system do you like? It almost sounds like you are talking about auto-setup. Why wouldn't Auto-EQ be beneficial to two channel if it makes such a big difference with surround sound?
One of the auto EQ systems that I like is done by Audyssey www.audyssey.com and no, I am not referring to auto speaker set up.
The reason that I would not use auto EQ for two channel audio listening is that for one, the design of auto EQ is meant for surround applications.
Also, when it comes to music I prefer to limit as much as possible adding in anything that would possibly add any coloration to the music.
There were times that I put some music on and used a surround mode. The EQ system worked very well in this regard, and was very enjoyable, but with movies the auto EQ in my opinion, really shines, and is nothing short of amazing.
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#52470 - 04/25/05 08:53 PM Re: protocols :i-link/HDMI/DVI/SACD/DSD etc
Kevin C Brown Offline
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HDMI has a higher bandwith for video than DVI does. DVI is only 8 bit, but HDMI can go up to 12 bits. They are not apples to apples. More info here:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_11_4/feature-dvi-hdmi-hdcp-connections-11-2004.html
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#52471 - 04/25/05 09:12 PM Re: protocols :i-link/HDMI/DVI/SACD/DSD etc
Cliff Watson Offline
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John,

What is the price of that receiver that used the Audyssey Multi-Point Speaker EQ system?

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#52472 - 04/25/05 09:19 PM Re: protocols :i-link/HDMI/DVI/SACD/DSD etc
Cliff Watson Offline
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"DVI is only 8 bit, but HDMI can go up to 12 bits."

Both are 8-bit for RGB. YCbCr on HDMI can be 8, 10, or 12-bit.

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#52473 - 04/25/05 09:41 PM Re: protocols :i-link/HDMI/DVI/SACD/DSD etc
obie_fl Offline
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John - I've read about the Audyssey system before but haven't heard it. What reciever or Pre/Pro actually uses it? When I read up on it, it sounded like a big compromise of your sweet spot. I'm also not sure why it wouldn't work for two channel. I'll have to read up on it again as I didn't know it was actually available in the market now. My take on the Yammie, Pioneer, etc Auto-Eq is that they often times do more harm then good. I think the technology has promise but is still in it's infancy.
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#52474 - 04/25/05 09:49 PM Re: protocols :i-link/HDMI/DVI/SACD/DSD etc
jhunt1 Offline
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Cliff Watson wrote:
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John,

What is the price of that receiver that used the Audyssey Multi-Point Speaker EQ system?
The receiver was the Denon 3805 currently available for less then $1000.
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#52475 - 04/25/05 10:02 PM Re: protocols :i-link/HDMI/DVI/SACD/DSD etc
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Is it the 3805 or the 5805? The only model that Denon's site mentions having Audyssey's system is the 5805.
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#52476 - 04/25/05 10:12 PM Re: protocols :i-link/HDMI/DVI/SACD/DSD etc
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Originally posted by jhunt1:
The Sherwood piece that the 990 was designed after is soon to be upgraded and re-released with room EQ as well as many other advances, HDMI will not be included however, there will be an upgrade panel on the back of the unit for an HDMI upgrade in the future.
This comment piqued my interest, but I've been unable to find anything about a successor to the P-965. Have you got some more information about this?
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#52477 - 04/25/05 10:49 PM Re: protocols :i-link/HDMI/DVI/SACD/DSD etc
Cliff Watson Offline
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Registered: 02/23/04
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Loc: Augusta, GA
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Originally posted by gonk:
Is it the 3805 or the 5805? The only model that Denon's site mentions having Audyssey's system is the 5805.
And the gray market price of the 5805 is $4999.00

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#52478 - 04/25/05 11:14 PM Re: protocols :i-link/HDMI/DVI/SACD/DSD etc
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>> "DVI is only 8 bit, but HDMI can go up to 12 bits."

> Both are 8-bit for RGB. YCbCr on HDMI can be 8, 10, or 12-bit.

From the Secrets article:
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If however, you have an HDMI source and a DVI display, the below-black video information may be lost in the translation.
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Also, DVD data are YCbCr (not RGB), and are converted to RGB in the player for the DVI output. RGB cannot represent all the data in YCbCr, and this is why the below-black information gets truncated.
This also means that if you have an HDMI player and an HDMI display, and actually converted to DVI to use the switching in the 990, and then converted back for the display, you would also lose the below black information.

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At CEDIA 2004, new DVD players and projectors had HDMI, but no DVI, which means DVI is just about gone after only one year on the market.
CEDIA 2004...
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