#51684 - 11/02/08 02:27 PM
LCD Displays - 60Hz vs. 120Hz
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Gunslinger
Registered: 07/14/07
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Loc: Chicago, IL
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I'm hoping that someone here can give me the straight answer on this one. I've been reading various forums but the answers are a bit sketchy. From reading many posts here I'm more inclined to believe guys here.
Here is what I've managed to piece together. If I've got any of it wrong I'd appreciate being corrected.
The primary goal of 120Hz displays is to eliminate judder (jumpy looking movement at the edges) when displaying film originating material (24fps) especially noticeable on slow horizontal pans (hence the brick wall demo in many stores).
With 60Hz displays such material is shown for different length of time: Every odd frame - twice, every even frame - 3 times (12*2+12*3=60). Hence, 3-2 pull down.
A 120HZ display shows every frame 5 times (5*24=120)so there is no judder.
However, it appears that there is no difference in presenting 60Hz footage (broadcast television & sports) between the two displays. All video is shot in 30fps, which goes evenly into 60 or 120 so there should be no perceptible difference.
Really, to see a difference you need to have a source that is 1080p / 24fps. As only Blu-Ray outputs that type of signal you will not gain any real benefit without one.
True? False? Partially correct?
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#51686 - 11/02/08 05:23 PM
Re: LCD Displays - 60Hz vs. 120Hz
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Gunslinger
Registered: 07/14/07
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Loc: Chicago, IL
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Thanks gonk. The part about using 120Hz as a solution to fast motion issues explains some other posts that I've seen where people say that the image doesn't look right. The common complaint seems to be that it almost looks like it has been speed up like the campy movie effects from the 70's.
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#51688 - 11/03/08 12:38 PM
Re: LCD Displays - 60Hz vs. 120Hz
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Gunslinger
Registered: 02/10/07
Posts: 130
Loc: Washington, D.C.
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Gonk, your explanation of what they do at Oppo raises another question. How difficult is it to switch the 120 hz modes on and off? For example, could you easily program a universal remote to turn it on when watching a TV-like source and off when watching a DVD-like source?
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#51690 - 11/08/08 12:56 AM
Re: LCD Displays - 60Hz vs. 120Hz
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Gunslinger
Registered: 06/09/05
Posts: 85
Loc: Lansdowne, Virginia
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And there are some TVs that don't let you do it at all. A recent review in Home Theater (can't find it online) of a fairly pricey LCD with 120 hz criticized it fairly strongly for not giving any ability to optionally permit 60 hz processing to avoid what was described as making film material look like it was shot on video.
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