id disagree that avs forum is that over the top. you just have to take a lot of what you hear there for what its worth, not much. i apply the same here too. this is a manufacturers website, avs is not, therefore people on here naturally will be partial to outlaw as most have some of their products. the main thing i dislike about this website is the redundancy of questions, i am patient and like to offer advice/argue what i think, but to do it repetitively is beyond my patience.