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#43829 - 11/08/02 05:54 PM Re: Problem Solved
soundhound Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Will:

Does Peter cut a deal with customers with a hissing 950 [b]that he talks to
only, that can't be divulged to the general public?[/B]


No special deals were brought up, or asked for.

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#43830 - 11/08/02 06:07 PM Re: Problem Solved
steves Offline
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Scott Griscom, I strongly recommend you try adjusting all speaker output levels using something like the Radio Shack Sound Level Meter. Try it-- you'll find that it will make a BIG difference in M/C performance. (See page 27 in the Owner's Manual). Best....

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#43831 - 11/08/02 09:30 PM Re: Problem Solved
Kevin C Brown Offline
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SH: Thanks for the update dude!
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#43832 - 11/08/02 10:01 PM Re: Problem Solved
soundhound Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Will:
....... each person has come away with the same feeling of satisfaction, and every one has been told they can't divulge the details of the conversation, and every one has been told they can't divulge the timetable either. But every one says help is on the way, not to worry....


Sounds like that movie "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"

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#43833 - 11/08/02 10:11 PM Re: Problem Solved
Will Offline
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Good one!

Don't know what he said, but whatever Peter said to you must have been wonderful. Perhaps an out of body experience.

Did Peter say he'd exchange your hissy 950 for a fixed 950 in the future, even though your 950, like mine, is out of its 30 day warranty?

[This message has been edited by Will (edited November 08, 2002).]

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#43834 - 11/08/02 10:34 PM Re: Problem Solved
soundhound Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Will:
Good one!

Did Peter say he'd exchange your hissy 950 for a fixed 950 in the future, even though your 950, like mine, is out of its 30 day warranty?


Yes, same deal as the other "assimilated bodies"

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#43835 - 11/08/02 11:49 PM Re: Problem Solved
Scott Griscom Offline
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Registered: 10/23/02
Posts: 60
Loc: Charlotte, NC, USA
Thanks for your suggestion steves. I did setup my system with the Radio Shack SPL meter. I set mains to -3, center to -2, surrounds to -1. However, what I noticed is the center did not seem as noticeable, especially in DTS. Maybe this is good, but I could calibrate the speakers on my Yamaha and the center was a lot more apparent. Maybe I need to work with the distance settings some more. I have my mains at 12 feet, center at 10 feet and surrounds at 9 feet. The Yamaha had setting called center delay which virtually moved the center back a foot for every millisecond adjustment. This seemed to have a large effect on the presence of the center speaker. I will experiment and let you know. If anyone has a good definition of what the distance settings are for other than calculating the delay I would like to hear.

One other thought. I did calibrate my speakers with my Yamaha differently when using the pink noise test tones vs the Avia setup disk. I found that the Avia disk was more accurate because it was actually playing from the source I would be using, not a generated tone from the receiver. I wonder if the Model 950 tones will calibrate differently from Avia. I will let you know.

Scott

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#43836 - 11/08/02 11:53 PM Re: Problem Solved
Will Offline
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Quote:

deal

Do you think the deal is for everyone who has a hissy 950 out of warranty, or just the people Peter talks to?

[This message has been edited by Will (edited November 08, 2002).]

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#43837 - 11/09/02 01:26 AM Re: Problem Solved
SayersWeb Offline
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Registered: 11/07/02
Posts: 30
Loc: Herndon, VA
Quote:
Originally posted by soundhound:
I have to say that I am quite satisfied that they are indeed taking some definitive steps to make sure the problem is fixed once and for all.


Hey! That is great news!!

Quote:
I appreciate his openness in discussing the real 'nuts and bolts' problems with the 950, and I think that the units that will be forthcoming will meet the unit's original promise.


I never heard the original promise for the unit. Can anyone explain?

Thanks!

Sayer

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#43838 - 11/09/02 03:55 AM Re: Problem Solved
Kevin C Brown Offline
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Registered: 12/11/01
Posts: 1054
Loc: Santa Clara, CA
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Audible hiss from listening area 10 feet from main speakers (still did not read above 50db on the SPL meter but it is definitely more noticeable than the Yamaha was). The hiss was independent of source as well as volume level.


My hiss is like yours: independent of volume and source. 10 ft is pretty far away (mine is 2-4 ft). Can you hear it at your listening position?

Likewise my hiss doesn't register above 50 dB on an SPL meter, even with the SPL meter shoved up against the speaker. But obviously, I can still hear it. Two conclusions:

1) People can hear sounds of less than 50 dB. (Duh!)

2) SPL measurements of hiss don't really mean anything unless they are *above* 50 dB, and hence, that is pretty bad hiss!

3) "Reference" level is 75 or 85 dB or something? So even a 50 dB measurement only gets you 25-35 dB of dynamic range, signal-to-noise. What is CD's theoretical limit... 96 dB or something?
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