SLL - In the words of Tony Bruno "beautiful" post. I once offered this about the Rotel (when it seemed like in the first 5 to 6 weeks they made 20 "fixes"/I wondered "fixing what"/or did they simple release it too fast/not ready for PT and good for them had the port for upgrades). I will say the upgrades, a great asset, do seem to be a pain in the arse for some. Me, I'm sure as I neede a post to start listening to SACD. Bottom line upgrade ability is an obvious no brainer lux to have, it just seems there are too many of them necessary. I agree Lena, the hiss/whatelse has there been!!

By the way I did not intend to "conviently" overlook this feature/ I guess in my system I not in the need for it!! Crap I had the Denon AVR 3200 (no DTS, etc) for over five years, I just dont upgrade all that often (yikes I'm lying - in past 12mo new Amp, 950, Turntable, SACD player, Ultimate Outlet, Juice Bar, Cables for all this stuff, new vinyl, now SACD's). The wife is gonna up and leave me!!

Buy the music 'she' likes, kiss her lots while it's playing, tell her it 'inspires' you...... she'll keep you.

Although...if you realy think about it...you can just drop $899 two more times for the next two 950 "upgrades" (whenever in the future they come out) and still be on top of the game price wise.

Jason

I will have to try that Lena:> Jasons got a point here people. By the way the fun has started again at the "I hate the 950 HTF", see the "Outlaw 950 arriving today, what should I expect" post. As I think I'm thru posting stuff over their, its good to see some pro 950 stuff in the replies. Alot of bad to. Oh well, its actually expected as isnt one persons likes anothers dislike??

Davis, as bad as he started out that post, saying it was terrible in 2 channel and bad in HT, in a different post he tells someone that the 950/770 combo sounds better than his Denon 4802 that he replaced...and that is only 1 day after complaining about how bad it sounded and asking if there was a break in period.

And you'd *still* get somewhere between $500 - $700 for a used one too, I bet.

Willscary - which only leads me to think the 950 is already like a "cult" piece or something. Its almost if so much bad speak makes you want to not like and return it, but as you listen for yourself, its as if it changes your mind. Interesting product/consumer result if you ask me. I wish I was a grad student/it would make for some great discussion in class!

The Outlaws said they would fix the hiss problem but so far they haven't fixed it, for people like me.

Many people including me, have gotten replacements from Outlaw that were supposed to not hiss, but the pesky hiss is still there.

[This message has been edited by Will (edited November 02, 2002).]

Will, I have hiss also. I am lucky enough to be able to turn down the gain on each channel of my amps, which eliminates the hiss. (audible within about 2 inches of the speaker after adjustment, about 3 feet before adjustment) That is why I feel the interaction between the 950 and a high-gain amp is the culprit. The hiss was much worse when my amp was in the shop and I used a Yamaha receiver as a power amp. When I got the amp back, I tried the Yamaha as a pre/pro with my amp, and again the hiss was more than with my 950 and the amp. I feel for you, but only a handful of people are complaining of the hiss...maybe 10-15 total people. They have probably sold at least 100 times that amount of 950s.

I am not downplaying the hiss, but by being able to eliminate it, I am very impressed with the sound of the 950, and will keep it as the hub of my system for many years.