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#38326 - 08/17/02 01:38 AM Re: Where's the newsletter??????
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Originally posted by Will:
The Fosgate Model 3 was a great Servo-Logic surround processor. Since then, Jim Fosgate went on to design 6-Axis processing and after that he went on to design DPL II. DPL II was designed by Jim Fosgate. As far as I know, DPL II is only implemented digitally.


I've not heard DPL II yet, so I'm looking forward to seeing how it does on the 950. Nowadays I mostly use DPL to extract surround information from stereo recordings of popular music. DPL makes a gawdawful mess of classical; jazz, less so.

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#38327 - 08/17/02 02:27 AM Re: Where's the newsletter??????
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DPL II has a mode for music and another one for cinema. Ditto with DTS. While I prefer DPL II-music over (original) DPL for both classical and jazz, I don't listen to either much, since I prefer DTS-music even more, for classical and jazz but YMMV.


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#38328 - 08/17/02 11:56 AM Re: Where's the newsletter??????
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DPL II has a mode for music and another one for cinema. Ditto with DTS. While I prefer [b]DPL II-music over (original) DPL for both classical and jazz, I don't listen to either much, since I prefer DTS-music even more, for classical and jazz but YMMV.


[This message has been edited by Will (edited August 17, 2002).][/B]


Can DTS music be used for playing regular CDs, or is it only for DTS encoded CDs ?

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#38329 - 08/17/02 02:40 PM Re: Where's the newsletter??????
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Soundhound: Only for DTS music encoded discs.
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#38330 - 08/17/02 03:00 PM Re: Where's the newsletter??????
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I should have been more precise and said DTS NEO:6-M (that's what I meant by 'DTS-music'). DTS NEO:6-M works for all stereo sources. It's like PLII-M (DPL II-music) in that regard.

FWIW, despite the 6, NEO:6-M works very well with only 5.1 channels going out, on the 950. You won't need a 6.1 or 7.1 channel home theater to hear very good surround processing of your stereo jazz collection and your stereo classical collection, imho. It's very similar to straight stereo, but with a pleasant very-slight very-listenable multi-channel ambiance added.


[This message has been edited by Will (edited August 18, 2002).]

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#38331 - 08/17/02 03:49 PM Re: Where's the newsletter??????
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Will said: Yes, and if you own a DVD-A/SACD player with internal digital bass management (which more and more DVD-A/SACD players have), you're probably better off doing bass management there, than in an external analog crossover like an ICBM, if you have the choice.

I have to disagree, Will. I have a Sony SACD player, but use the 950 for bass management. All the Sony's have a 120Hz crossover point- too high for me. The 950 80Hz setting works fine. By the way- I have no double bass problems either. I think that issue is way overblown.

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#38332 - 08/17/02 04:12 PM Re: Where's the newsletter??????
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Good point, steves! If I had the choice between a 120Hz crossover and an 80Hz crossover, I'd do what you did and take the 80Hz crossover, even though it's analog.

Upcoming players will hopefuly have lower crossover points. Today DPL II processing is done digitally not in analog (as far as I know). Likewise, DVD-A/SACD bass management in the future will mostly be done digitally, when there are better digital options. Until then, the only good options are analog. Fortunately the 950 has that option.


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#38333 - 08/17/02 04:17 PM Re: Where's the newsletter??????
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DPL2 was actually designed in the analog domain as that is the only way Jim Fosgate works. DD Labs implemented the digital conversion.


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#38334 - 08/18/02 05:49 PM Re: Where's the newsletter??????
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The 950 80Hz setting works fine. By the way- I have no double bass problems either. I think that issue is way overblown.


The double bass problem doesn't exist if you are using the 950's 80Hz analog crossover on the 5.1 inputs. Only exists if you are running your mains full range.
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#38335 - 08/18/02 06:03 PM Re: Where's the newsletter??????
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That's right. Double bass exists only if you run your mains full range. But here's the rub: You'd want to run your mains full range if you used the digital crossovers in a DVD-A/SCAD player. So, chances are, you won't get great sound through the 950 if you DO use the digital crossovers in a DVD-A/SACD player, due to the double bass bug of the 950.


[This message has been edited by Will (edited August 18, 2002).]

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