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#38182 - 07/02/02 04:55 PM Re: New 950 owner needs some help...
Will Offline
Desperado

Registered: 05/28/02
Posts: 605
Loc: LA's The Place
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I haven't tried listening to movies without the sub, I will try that tonight.

Very good.
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As an experiment I asked my friend to bring in the rotel 1066. I tried my carver preamp, onkyo 575 and the rotel. All three can produce the fullness that the 950 is missing.

Were you able to listen to your friend's Rotel 1066 in the exact same setup in your own home, as the 950? The only reason I ask is to be sure that the only component to change is the pre/pro. As you know, the amp and speakers and the room itself should be the same.

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#38183 - 07/02/02 05:01 PM Re: New 950 owner needs some help...
rmbg Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 06/30/02
Posts: 26
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
yes, I had him bring it over to my house last night. We swapped all the units using the same amps. Of course, we calibrated each unit prior to doing the testing. All the units seems to have more range in the bass settings. The bass settings on the 950 is barely noticable when we listened to the same songs and playing with the levels from min to max. Even worst with stereo bypass.

Thanks,
ricky

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#38184 - 07/02/02 07:56 PM Re: New 950 owner needs some help...
HT crazed Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 01/05/02
Posts: 124
Scott - I don't have a specific email address for you but sent to customerservice@outlawaudio.com. Hopefully it will at least get forwarded to you.

Thanks,
HTC

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#38185 - 07/02/02 08:11 PM Re: New 950 owner needs some help...
rmbg Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 06/30/02
Posts: 26
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
HT, I'll be interested on the results of your tests since it sounds like we have similar problems. I will continue to play around with my stuff and let you know if anything changes.

thanks,
Ricky

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#38186 - 07/02/02 08:26 PM Re: New 950 owner needs some help...
HT crazed Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 01/05/02
Posts: 124
rmbg - I'll let you know. And by the way, other than the fullness, how did the 1066 sound in 2 channel? Air, imaging, realism of the instruments, degree of musical involvement etc.

Beyond hearing the fullness of sound the 950 lacks, were you able to listen further to see if the 1066 really did a good job with 2 channel?

The reason I ask is that I gave a short listen to a 1066 when it first came out and wasn't impressed with 2 channel. Then again the dealer was using surrounding equipment that was across the board lower quality than my setup, plus the 1066 was fresh out of the box without burn in.

Could you swap pre/pro's with your buddy for a couple of days to see if the sounds something you can live with?

Thanks,
HT

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#38187 - 07/02/02 08:41 PM Re: New 950 owner needs some help...
rmbg Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 06/30/02
Posts: 26
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
HT,

I have been listening to my friends rotel in stereo every weekend since he got it, 2 months ago. I can definitely live with the sound I hear. I may not be as picky as you in regards to musicality but the instruments sounds so much clearer and separate. The music seems be around you and not in front of you. I'm not good at explaining this but when you listen to an orchestra for example, you are given this sense of hearing the instruments where they should be.

I have tried his rotel in my system but only for a few hours. To me, it sounded the same as his. Actually it sounded better through my towers. I haven't tested the HT performance though so I don't know how it would match my system. Man, the more we discuss this, the less that 400 difference seems to be

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#38188 - 07/02/02 11:10 PM Re: New 950 owner needs some help...
steves Offline
Desperado

Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 356
Loc: Oregon
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Beyond hearing the fullness of sound the 950 lacks...

crazed-- This should read "MY (YOUR) 950 lacks..." because MY 950 (MINE) does NOT lack "fullness of sound". Here's hoping you can get this resolved soon or get something else so that you can start enjoying the music once again.:;

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#38189 - 07/03/02 12:55 AM Re: New 950 owner needs some help...
Will Offline
Desperado

Registered: 05/28/02
Posts: 605
Loc: LA's The Place
Rick,

Like you, I have floor standing towers and a 950. I think you're in Glendale CA and I'm in west LA. If you'd like to visit some time let me know, we can see if the problem you hear with your 950 in your system, can be duplicated with my 950 in my system.

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#38190 - 07/03/02 03:22 AM Re: New 950 owner needs some help...
rmbg Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 06/30/02
Posts: 26
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Will. I really appreciate the offer and I will definitely take you up on it. I will be around Sta. Monica this weekend to visit my sis. You can email me at r_m_b_g@yahoo.com if you are available and I can stop by for a quick visit.

Thanks again,
Ricky

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#38191 - 07/03/02 11:16 PM Re: New 950 owner needs some help...
HT crazed Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 01/05/02
Posts: 124
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This should read "MY (YOUR) 950 lacks..." because MY 950 (MINE) does NOT lack "fullness of sound"


In fact it should have been "our" 950's since I was directing the post to RM. And to qualify it even more I would add "lack of fullness only in 2 channel". That's the weird part - in DPLII, NEO6, DD, and DTS the sound is fine. Only when it goes into stereo or audio by-pass does it sound tinny and just plain wrong.

rmbg - give Scott a call. He mentioned the possibility of a fix down the road.

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