Im just east of Toronto, Pickering Village. I phoned one store in Toronto, gave me list price of $4600 for the AVM20 alone, but admitted the out the door price would be less than $5K for AVM20/PVA5. Second place quoted me $3600/$1300 over the phone. Should be less than that when i actually buy. Go to www.audioreview.com, 2 guys in Quebec got one for 3K (2 of em) and a guy in Ottawa got one for $2700 (!). I emailed the Ottawa guy to find out if that was a straight up deal (ie, his uncle didnt own the store, he did work for the dealer etc).If i could get one for $2700, i'd buy it tomorrow. Today even. Keep looking i guess (at least you dont have to pay 8% PST).